>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR & COMPANY .

HERE IS WHAT IS COMING UP.

A MASSIVE BLAST ROCKS REFUGEE CAMP IN NORTHERN GAZA.

I SPEAK TO A FORMER PALESTINIAN PEACE NEGOTIATOR.

AND THEN AGONY FOR HOSTAGES KIDNAPPED FOR --I SPOKE WITH ONE DISTRAUGHT MOTHER ABOUT MEETING PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU.

AND FOCUS OFF UKRAINE.

CHIEF DIPLOMATIC ADVISER TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY JOINS US.

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>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I AM CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

THE NEWS FROM GAZA IS INCREASINGLY DIRE.

AN ENORMOUS --HAS CAUSED MANY CASUALTIES ACCORDING TO HAMAS AUTHORITIES WHO BLAME THE ISRAEL DEFENSE FORCES.

THE IDF HAS NOT YET COMMENTED A DOCTOR AT THE INDONESIAN HOSPITAL NEAR THE CAMP TOLD CNN THAT HUNDREDS ARE DEAD AND INJURED AND THEY HAVE ARRIVED AT HIS HOSPITAL.

BEFORE THIS INCIDENT, THE HEALTH MINISTRY SAID THAT MORE THAN 8400 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THIS WAR AND EVERY DAY, ISRAEL'S SIEGE IS CAUSING EVER MORE DESPERATE HUNGER, THIRST, AND MEDICAL NEEDS.

ISRAEL CONTINUES TO HUNT DOWN LEADERS OF THE OCTOBER 7th ATTACKS THAT KILLED AT LEAST 1400 PEOPLE, MOSTLY CIVILIANS.

THE IDF SAYS AN AIRSTRIKE KILLED THE COMMANDER WHO DIRECTED ONE OF THE HARROWING MASSACRES.

THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE LLOYD AUSTIN HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF FIGHTING , LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA NOW.

HERE IS WHAT HE SAID.

>> THE THINGS THAT YOU DO ON THE BATTLEFIELD, IF YOU'RE NOT -- THAT LAST FOR GENERATIONS.

AND SO THERE IS AN OPERATIONAL AND STRATEGIC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS OUTLINING OUR OBJECTIVES AND DESCRIBING THE TECHNIQUES OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO ABOUT THIS.

>> 20 NOW FROM THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK IS THE HANAN ASHRAWILONGTIME PALESTINIAN POLITICIAN AND PEACE NEGOTIATOR .

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM A DOCTOR IN GAZA CLOSE TO THE JABALIA CAMP.

>> ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING.

IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.

SIX MASSIVE BOMBS WERE EXPLODED ON REFUGEE CAMP .

THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED REFUGEE CAMP AND THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA IN THE WORLD AND THE DEATH TOLL IS NOT KNOWN YET , SOME PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, 400, 500 AND SO ON, BUT YOU CANNOT TELL BECAUSE SEVERAL BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO RUBBLE .

A WHOLE BLOCK OF SIDE-BY-SIDE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DESTROYED.

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THEM.

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BODIES.

PIECES AND ARMS AND CHILDREN, OF WOMEN.

PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THEIR HOMES AND WHO WERE SHELLED AND BOMBED SOBERLY --SO BRUTALLY, SO SYSTEMATICALLY, AND NOW ISRAEL HAS EXPLODED 18,000 TONS OF EXPLOSIVES ON GAZA AND THAT IS MORE THAN THE HIROSHIMA BOMBS.

WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS JUST ANOTHER ESCALATION AND BRUTAL MASSACRE IN A GENOCIDE THAT IS ONGOING AND THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS SEEING AND IS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS ISRAEL THAT IS DOING IT.

IS A MASSIVE, TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE FOR ALL PALESTINIANS BECAUSE IT IS REMINISCENT OF THE NAKBA .

>> HANAN , YOU SAID THE IS -- THE ISRAELIS SAY THEY DO THEIR BEST TO GO AFTER MILITARY TARGETS.

THE UNITED STATES HAS URGED THEM PUBLICLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ABIDE BY INTERNATIONAL LAW AND YOU JUST HEARD WHAT , JUST BEFORE NEWS OF THIS BROKE, IN GENERAL, ON CAPITOL HILL, LLOYD AUSTIN WAS BEING ASKED QUESTIONS, YOU JUST HEARD HIM SAY THAT THESE OPERATIONS HAVE TO BE DONE CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT WILL CAUSE GENERATIONS OF BLOWBACK.

GENERATIONS OF RADICALIZATION, BITTERNESS AGAINST ISRAEL AND WHOEVER ELSE.

CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THAT?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING , WHEN YOU USE THE FIRST PERSON, PLURAL, OF COURSE, YOU ARE INCLUSION WITH ISRAEL, WHO IS COMMITTING WAR CRIMES , CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, SO BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU ARE ADVISING, SENDING MONEY, SENDING WEAPONS.

BEING PARTNERED WITH ISRAEL IN THIS --IN THESE CRIMES.

SO YES.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PALESTINIANS IN 1947, 48, IT'S STILL REMEMBERED IN THE COLLECTIVE AND SINGULAR MEMORY OF EVERY PALESTINIAN.

THE MASSACRES ARE UN-FORGOTTEN.

WE REMEMBER THE 500 VILLAGERS THAT WERE DESTROYED ETHNICALLY CLEANSED AND SO ON.

WE ALL REMEMBER THEM.

SO IN THE COLLECTIVE MEMORY OF PALESTINIANS UNDER OCCUPATION, ALL IN EXILE, OR UNDER ISRAELI APARTHEID, WE ALL REMEMBER , AND THAT'S WHY WHEN ISRAEL HAS THE CHANCE TO MAKE THIS, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN VERY GRATEFUL THAT INSTEAD, THEY MAINTAINED THE ETHNIC CLEANSING.

THEY MAINTAINED LAND CONFISCATION, BUILDING MORE SETTLEMENTS.

ACTUALLY, VICTIMIZING THE PALESTINIANS IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY WITH FULL IMPUNITY.

NOW, WITH THIS, ON GAZA , IT IS JUST SO HORRIFIC, SO UNBELIEVABLE, SO UNCONSCIONABLE THAT EVERY SINGLE CALLUSED INDIAN --PALESTINIAN, NOT JUST EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN, EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHICH IS AN IOTA OF HUMANITY IS SHAKEN TO THE CORE.

WE SEE THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE PROTESTING, MARCHING, IN WESTERN COUNTRIES AND EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE EVERYBODY SEES WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING .

NOT TARGETING INDIVIDUALS OR TARGETING LEADERS, BUT MASSACRING PALESTINIANS AND SLAUGHTERING .

IT'S JUST AIMED AT KILLING FAMILIES, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN, AND WE HAVE SEEN --LOOK, THIS PALESTINIANS, THAT ISRAEL HAS KILLED.

3500 OF THEM, CHILDREN.

BABIES, INFANTS, TODDLERS.

2700 WOMEN .

ARE THESE FIGHTERS?

ARE THESE HAMAS LEADERS?

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

AND YET IT IS STILL ONGOING.

SO I AM SAYING THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE ISRAELI VERSION OF REALITY, YOU HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH REALITY.

ISRAEL IS DOING THIS IN PLAIN SIGHT AND IT MUST BE STOPPED.

IT IS THE IMPUNITY AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE WEST THAT STILL TREATS ISRAEL AS ITS PROTÉGÉ , AS AN EXTENSION OF ITS COLONIAL POWERS, AS AN EXTENSION OF -- OF ITS COLONIAL SUPREMACY, WHITE SUPREMACY.

THIS IS WHAT EMBOLDEN ISRAEL AND THIS IS WHAT LED ISRAEL TO BELIEVE IT CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS TO THE PALESTINIANS AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

NOW LOOK AT WHAT IT IS DOING ALSO TO THE WEST BANK, CHRISTIANE.

>> TO BE CLEAR ABOUT LLOYD AUSTIN, HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT IN BLOWBACK THAT, JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT HIS SOUND BITE WAS ABOUT.

>> CERTAINLY INVOLVED , CHRISTIANE.

>> I'M JUST CLARIFYING.

I AM JUST CLARIFYING.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I AM JUST CLARIFYING.

BUT I WANT TO PICK YOU UP ON THE WEST BANK BECAUSE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS ALSO SAID TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE WEST BANK.

FROM YOU, I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE HE SAID THIS SETTLE OF ISLANDS HAS TO STOP AND HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND SO, TOO, HAS THE JAKE SULLIVAN.

SO WHAT IS THE SITUATION THERE?

WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN AN UPTICK IN DEATHS OF PALESTINIANS AND ATTACKS BY SETTLERS SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

>> YES.

SINCE OCTOBER 7th, --HAVE BEEN WOUNDED OVER 2000, ARRESTED 1500 AND MORE.

AND THIS WAS DONE BY SETTLERS AND --FULL.

THERE WERE INCURSIONS AND BOMBINGS AND SCHELLING'S AND REFUGEE CAMPS ALSO IN THE WEST BANK BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS WITH THIS GOVERNMENT, I MEAN LOOK.

ALL ALONG, ISRAEL HAS BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY STEALING LAND, BUILDING MORE SETTLEMENTS, DEMOLISHING PALESTINIAN HOMES.

DAILY KILLING PALESTINIAN WITH EXTRADITION INITIAL EXECUTIONS --EXTRAJUDICIAL EXECUTIONS.

BUT NOW WITH THIS WORLD THAT ARE KNOWN AS NOT JUST SETTLERS, BUT AS TERRORISTS WITHIN THE ISRAELI SYSTEM, THEY ARE NOW DECISION-MAKERS.

THEY ARE ARMING THE SETTLERS.

THEY ARE UNLEASHING THEM ON PALESTINIANS NOW.

THEY ARE GOING AROUND SHOOTING PEOPLE, THINKING THEY ARE STEALING, DESTROYING THE OLIVE TREES.

THEY ARE BURNING PEOPLE'S HOMES .

I MEAN THEY ARE TERRORIZING EVERYBODY.

AND THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH SETTLOR EVER HELD TO ACCOUNT.

AGAIN, SO WHEN YOU HAVE LAWLESSNESS AND IMPUNITY FOR A STATE, YOU ABSOLVING INTERNALLY AND YOU HAVE LAWLESSNESS AND IMPUNITY WITHIN THAT STATE.

THE WEST BANK IS UNDERGOING A SERIOUS ETHNIC CLEANSING , AND EXCISION PROGRAM, WHICH HAS TO BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY.

>> CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING?

1400 ISRAELIS WERE MASSACRED ON OCTOBER 7th.

IT TURNS OUT THAT ALL THESE HOLDINGS SHOW THAT THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA , IN FACT, DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO HAMAS.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM, ANYWAY.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WEST BANK.

WHAT IS THE OPTION, OTHER THAN DEFEATING HAMAS , WHICH IS AGAINST YOUR POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL AGENDA, AGAINST THE RECOGNIZED PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY'S POLITICAL AGENDA.

HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE ALTERNATIVE?

>> I THINK HAD WE HAD AN ACTIVE PIECE, HAD WE HAD AN INTERNATIONAL ENGAGEMENT TO CURB ISRAELI VIOLATIONS AND IS EARLY VIOLENCE AND SO ON , THAT IS THE ONLY WAY.

NOT JUST TO CURB HAMAS, BUT TO BRING ABOUT A LOGIC OF PEACE AND COEXISTENCE.

INSTEAD, AS I SAID, ISRAEL WAS ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN ITS IMPUNITY AND ITS VIOLENCE.

YOU KNOW THAT GAZA WAS BOMBED FIVE TIMES BEFORE THIS LATEST THING.

IT'S NOT REVENGE.

THEY KEEP KILLING THOUSANDS GAZA IS A MASSIVE PRISON.

NOW, THEY ARE HELD WITHOUT FOOD, WITHOUT WATER, WITHOUT MEDICINE, WITHOUT FUEL, WITHOUT ANYTHING .

THESE ARE MASSIVE CRIMES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE PLACE SO IF YOU CONTINUE WITH MORE OF THE SAME, YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE OF THE SAME.

YOU ARE GOING TO BREED MORE RESENTMENT, MORE ANGER, MORE HOSTILITY.

THE ONLY WAY ISRAEL CAN HAVE ANY SORT OF SECURITY IS IF THE PALESTINIANS HAVE THEIR RIGHTS.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE SECURITY WITHIN THE REGION AND PEACE AND BEYOND.

BUT SO LONG AS ISRAEL ASK WITHOUT ANY CONSTRAINTS OR ACCOUNTABILITY AND WITH FULL CRUELTY DEHUMANIZATION AND -- OF PALESTINIANS, FEELING IT CAN DO ANYTHING IT WANTS TO THEM AND GET AWAY WITH IT, IT WILL NOT BE PEACE.

SO THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

DEAL WITH THESE OCCUPATIONS ITSELF.

DO WITH THE APARTHEID TO SYSTEM .

UNDERSTAND THAT PALESTINIANS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR FREEDOM, THEIR DIGNITY, THEIR SOVEREIGNTY ON THEIR OWN LAND AND THEN, YOU WILL HAVE PEACE.

BUT SO LONG AS YOU THINK YOU CAN KEEP KILLING AND MASSACRING AND SHOOTING AND DESTROYING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEACE NEVER.

THAT IS THE WRONG APPROACH TO DO IT.

THAT IS A SURE RECIPE FOR HAVING MORE CARNAGE AND MORE BLOODSHED.

>> HANAN ASHRAWI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

>>> NOW, IT HAS BEEN 24 NIGHTS AND SOME 240 ISRAELI HOSTAGES SLEPT IN THEIR OWN HOMES.

NOW PASSING THEIR DAYS IN CAPTIVITY AND IN FEAR.

HOPING THAT THEY WILL SOMEHOW BE FREED AND REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

23-YEAR-OLD --IS ONE OF THEM.

SHE WAS KIDNAPPED OCTOBER 7th AT THE NOVA MUSIC FESTIVAL.

HER MOTHER IS DESPERATE FOR HER RETURN AND RECENTLY MET WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU TO INSIST THAT MILITARY ACTION TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FATE OF HER DAUGHTER AND THE FATE OF ALL THE OTHER HOSTAGES AND SHE IS NOW JOINING ME FROM TEL AVIV.

WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM HOW ARE YOU LIVING THESE DAYS.

YOU CLEARLY HAVE A TERRIBLE DILEMMA AND CRISIS AND YOU SEE THINKS IT HAS TO DO TO AVENGE WHAT HAPPENED AND TO ANNIHILATE, AS THEY SAY, THE TERRORISTS.

WHAT EFFECT DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE ON THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF YOUR OWN DAUGHTER AND THE OTHERS?

>> THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT DAYS FOR US SINCE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY THERE, THE 240 CIVILIANS , INNOCENT CIVILIANS THAT WERE KIDNAPPED EITHER FROM THEIR HOMES , OR FROM THIS FESTIVAL , BEING , TRULY BELIEVING THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND PROTECTED, AND NOW THEY ARE BEING HELD BY TERRORISTS, MURDER, MASSACRED, BUTCHERED , ASSAULTED.

1400 PEOPLE , YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DOING NOTHING BUT LIVING THEIR LIVES AND THIS , MY GOVERNMENT IS TAKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING TO HELP THOSE BELOVED ONES THAT ARE NOW IN GAZA .

WE ASKED OUR PRIME MINISTER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ACTIONS WILL NOT HARM ANY OF THEM.

WE ASKED THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THEY DO, THE FIRST THING ABOUT OUR BELOVED ONES.

MY DAUGHTER AND THE PARENTS OF SOMEBODY ELSE, THE KIDS OF SOMEBODY , THE SISTERS, THE BROTHERS .

SO WE ASKED THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SAFETY OF OUR BELOVED ONES.

THIS IS A DIFFICULT STORY, WHAT WE ARE HAVING NOW.

>> IT IS.

IT IS.

>> SORRY.

>> NO, NO.

WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER SAY TO YOU WHEN YOU ASKED HIM?

FROM OUR READING, YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOSTAGES AND MISSING FAMILIES FORUM, WHICH YOU HAVE CREATED, YOU DESCRIBE , I BELIEVE, THE BEGINNING OF THE GROUND INCURSION IS THE MOST TERRIBLE OF ALL NIGHTS.

BUT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID THIS METHOD MIGHT WORK TO PUT PRESSURE ON HAMAS TO RELEASE THE HOSTAGES.

CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT HE SAID?

>> WELL, HE TOLD US THAT HE IS MAKING SURE THE STEPS THAT ARE TAKEN NOW BY THE ARMY ARE -- WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER, WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM BETTER THAN ME.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE WAS ASKED FROM US VERY, YOU KNOW, WE INSISTENT ON MAKING SURE THAT HE KNOWS HE HAS TO TAKE ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND YES, HE DID SAY THAT ALL THE ACTION TAKEN IN THE PRIME OF HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS DECISIONS, OF HIS SAFETY OF OUR BELOVED ONES, THAT KIDNAPPED THERE IN GAZA.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY DAUGHTER IS.

IT'S MORE THAN 23 DAYS.

I DON'T EVEN COUNT THE DAYS ANYMORE.

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MY DAUGHTER.

NOBODY SAW HER.

ALMOST ANY OF THE KIDNAPPED , BUT THAT WAS NOT WITH THE PRIME MINISTER WAS ASSURING US, THAT ANY ACTION THAT IS TAKEN IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THEY ARE SAFE, THEY WILL BE SAFE .

IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER, NOW THAT I AM THINKING ABOUT IT.

IT'S A VERY HARD QUESTION TO ASK AND ANSWER, EVEN.

BECAUSE -- >> I KNOW, SOMETIMES THE TWO -- >> YOU KNOW .

>> CAN I ASK YOU WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE IT PUTS ON YOU AND HOW IT MAKES YOU AND OTHER FAMILIES FEEL WHEN THEY SEE THESE HOSTAGE, SO-CALLED HOSTAGE VIDEOS, RELEASE LIKE THE THREE WOMEN WHO, YOU KNOW, WERE SHOWN ON CAMERA IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS , WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THE IDF THAT THEY RESCUED A SOLDIER HOSTAGE.

AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SEE THE OTHER TWO WOMEN WHO CAME OUT LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY RELEASED .

DOES THIS MAKE YOU FEEL HOPEFUL, DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE ANXIOUS?

HOW DO YOU FEEL?

.

>> WELL, FIRST, IT MAKES ME FEEL HAPPY .

I AM HAPPY FOR ALL THE WOMEN THAT WERE TAKEN OUT, WERE RELEASED.

I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

I AM HAPPY FOR THE FAMILIES.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH.

THESE 3 1/2 WEEKS, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO NOT KNOW WHERE YOUR BELOVED ONE IS AND, YOU KNOW, OLD AND SICK PEOPLE, SHE WAS SHOT AND SHE WAS BLEEDING , THE LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH HER , THE LAST FEW MINUTES, UNTIL BEFORE , YOU KNOW, THE TERRORISTS CAME TO THE CAR AND WAS SHOUTING ABOUT MY DAUGHTER'S HAD.

SHE WAS WOUNDED, BADLY.

SO ON ONE HAND, I AM VERY HAPPY FOR HER , FOR THEM.

THEY HAVE THEIR BELOVED ONES BACK BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I AM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW --I WISH IT WAS MY DAUGHTER.

IT IS GOOD TO SEE FACES OF SOME OF THE KIDNAPPED STILL THERE.

BUT WE KNOW IT'S A SIGN OF LIFE, PROOF OF LIFE IS SOMETHING BASIC, SO BASIC, THE PROOF OF LIFE.

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, ESPECIALLY US AS MOTHERS , JUST IMAGINE HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER.

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH HER .

IT'S BASIC TO HAVE A PROOF OF LIFE AND THAT IS WHAT I EXPECT TO HAVE.

OF THE KIDS , 30 KIDS.

30 KIDS OUT THERE.

>> MEIRAV, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROMI.

WHAT WAS SHE DOING?

WE KNOW SHE WAS AT THE PARTY.

WE KNOW SHE WAS AT THE DESERT PARTY BUT WHAT WAS HER LIFE, WHAT WAS HER CAREER?

WHO WAS SHE?

WHO IS SHE?

>> SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN STUDYING HER LIFE.

SHE WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AGO, SHE WAS OUT OF THE ARMY AND SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING IN SOUTH AMERICA TO SEE LIFE TOGETHER WITH HER -- WHICH WAS MURDER IN THE SAME CAR.

SHE WAS WORKING AS A WAITRESS JUST TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE NEXT TRIP BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN.

SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO.

SHE WAS DISCOVERING HERSELF .

SHE IS A VIVID --SHE IS A LEADER.

SHE IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE CENTER OF THINGS.

I HAVE FIVE KIDS.

SHE IS THE LIGHT OF OUR FAMILY.

SHE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN --I HAVE THREE GIRLS.

SHE IS CONSIDERED AS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE.

SHE IS ENERGETIC .

SHE IS SO LOVED.

SHE IS SO SMART AND RESOURCEFUL AND WE MISS HER.

WE MISS HER A LOT.

WE MISS HER ENERGY.

I DON'T HEAR HER VOICE FOR 3 1/2 WEEKS.

I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SENT A MESSAGE EVERY MORNING AND EVERY NIGHT TO ALL MY KIDS WHEN THEY ARE NOT CLOSE TO ME, GOOD MORNING AND GOOD NIGHT.

AND THERE IS ONE PHONE, WHICH IS ALWAYS --AND NOTHING MORE.

I HAVE TO LISTEN TO RECORDS THAT I HAVE JUST TO HEAR HER VOICE AGAIN .

THERE IS NOBODY THAT WILL TELL ME HELLO, MOMMY.

IT'S SO DIFFICULT.

SHE JUST WASN'T --SHE WAS JUST AT THE FESTIVAL HAVING FUN, LISTENING TO MUSIC, DANCING.

IT WAS IN THE MORNING.

THE FESTIVAL JUST STARTED.

YOU KNOW?

FOR A HALF HOURS OF TALKING WITH HER ON THE PHONE WHILE SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, RUNNING AWAY FROM THE ROCKETS FIRST AND THEN TRYING TO RUN AWAY WITH THE CAR AND THEN MOVING TO ANOTHER CART WHEN THE SHOOTING STARTED AND THEN MOVING FROM BUSH TO BUSH TO RUN AWAY FROM THE SHOUTS OF THE SHOOTING AND THEN TRYING TO RUN AWAY WHEN A GOOD FRIEND TO RESCUE THEM AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GO BACK HOME FROM THIS FESTIVAL AND THE SHOOTING, THE LAST PHONE CALL AT 10:14, WHEN SHE CALLED AND SAID MOMMY, I WAS SHOT.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANY MOTHER SHOULD HEAR THAT , THAT HER BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL CHILD HAS BEEN SHOT AND SHE IS ALONE IN THE --BECAUSE THE PERSON IN FRONT OF HER WAS ALREADY KILLED, MURDER.

THE DRIVER WAS ALSO MURDERED AND TOGETHER, WITH HER WAS A KID, ANOTHER KID THAT WANTED TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS HORROR SHOW AND HE WAS ALSO SHOT AND THEY WERE BOTH BLEEDING AND I HEARD THEM VERY, VERY SCARED.

SHE WAS TELLING ME, MOMMY, I WAS SHOT .

I THINK I AM GOING TO DIE.

AND I SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DIE.

YOU ARE GOING TO STILL STAY ALIVE AND YOU ARE GOING TO TREAT YOURSELF.

AND I WAS TALKING TO HER FOR ALMOST 48 MINUTES.

TRYING TO CALM HER.

>> I AM SURE, MEIRAV, I AM SURE THOSE WORDS ARE WITH HER AND YOUR STRENGTH, AS HER MOTHER, IS SUSTAINING HER.

THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US .

>> WE WISH YOU THE BEST.

>> CAN I ADD ANOTHER SENTENCE, PLEASE?

I NEED THE WHOLE WORLD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS A MASSACRE.

THIS IS A WAR AGAINST HUMANITY.

THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS TERRIBLE WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD KNOW BECAUSE THIS CAN HAPPEN ANY OTHER PLACE , INNOCENT PEOPLE, CIVILIANS , ARE PULLED OUT FROM THEIR HOUSES.

IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE AND I ASKED THE WORLD NOT TO LOOK AWAKE.

LOOK AT THE PICTURES.

SEE THE PICTURES, SEE THE FACES.

SEE THE FACE OF MY DAUGHTER AND EVERYONE ELSE AND PLEASE , PLEASE HELP US.

PLEASE HELP TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE BACK HOME SAFE.

>> WE HOPE THE NEGOTIATIONS -- >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE WILL FOR THE NEGOTIATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

NOW, AMERICA'S TOP DIPLOMAT IS MAKING THE CASE THAT AID FOR ISRAEL AND UKRAINE MUST GO TOGETHER.

SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN SAYS THIS IS ALL ONE FIGHT.

TWO TO CROSS RECEIVES THESE DEMOCRACIES --TO WHAT THE NATIONS OFF THE MAP.

UKRAINE , NOW FOUR MONTHS INTO THE COUNTEROFFENSIVE, IS STILL BATTLING FOR ITS SURVIVAL.

TRYING TO MAKE ANY GAINS IT CAN AGAINST RUSSIAN FORCES.

IGOR ZHOVKVA IS ZELENSKYY'S CHIEF DIPLOMATIC ADVISER WHO HAS JUST RETURNED FROM MALTA, WERE DOZENS OF REPRESENTATIVES MET TO DISCUSS PEACE.

RUSSIA WAS NOT THERE.

IGOR ZHOVKVA, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

YOU HEARD --.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND DEFENSE ON CAPITOL HILL AND THE ATTEMPT TO KEEP FOCUS ON UKRAINE AID, DESPITE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON.

HOW ARE YOU COPING ?

HOW ARE YOU REACTING?

HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT THE ONGOING ATTENTION FOR YOUR WAR EFFORT?

.

>> THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT , CHRISTIANE, THAT YOU MENTION THIS EFFORT .

TWO, TWO FEEL SECURE ENOUGH WITH SUPPORT.

RIGHT YOU ARE.

A COUNTEROFFENSIVE, MORE THAN 600 DAYS OF WAR, AND NOT ONLY WE ARE SURVIVING, BUT STRUGGLING BAD AND WINNING BACK OUR TERRITORIES AND YES, FOR THESE, WE NEED THIS SAME AMOUNT OF SUPPORT, WHICH WE ENJOYED DURING THE LAST YEAR, NOT ONLY FROM THE U.S., BUT MOSTLY FROM THE U.S.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THIS IN THE NEXT YEAR AND MANY THANKS FOR THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.

AND YES, WE HOPE FOR THE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

MY PRESIDENT WAS --MORE THAN A MONTH AGO.

HE TOLD BOTH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PARTY, BOTH HOUSES, AND EVERY WAY OR LIKE, LET'S PUT IT LIKE THIS.

KNOW WHERE HE HEARD THE DENIAL TO SUPPORT UKRAINE FURTHERMORE.

SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT .

WE COUNT ON THE SUPPORT.

YOU MENTIONED MALTA.

THIS IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.

THE MISSED THE VERY DIFFICULT DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF 66 COUNTRIES.

TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BRING PEACE TO UKRAINE.

BUT NOT ONLY ON THE RUSSIAN CONDITIONS.

BUT UNITING THE CIVILIZED COUNTRIES AROUND THE CASE OF UKRAINE, AROUND THE CASE OF BRINGING PEACE TO UKRAINE.

ACCORDING TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S PEACE FORMULA, WHICH IS ABOUT ONE SIMPLE THING, TO DEPRIVE RUSSIA FROM INSTRUMENTS OF THE AGGRESSION OTHER THAN ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

ON THE BATTLEFIELD, WE ARE DEPRIVING THEM, WE ARE FIGHTING THEM WITHOUT --WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE U.S. AND OTHER COUNTRIES.

BUT IN THIS SECTORS OF FOOD SECURITY , NUCLEAR SECURITY, BREACH OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS, WE NEED TO UNITE TOGETHER, NOT ONLY THE WESTERN COUNTRIES, BUT COUNTRIES OF THE GLOBAL SOUTH IN ORDER TO BRING THESE TO THIS PART OF THE WORLD.

>> SO YOU MENTIONED BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND YET THE NEW HOUSE SPEAKER, MIKE JOHNSON, HE HAS PROPOSED CUTTING HOW UKRAINE AID.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY AND THIS IS WHAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN THOMAS SAID TODAY.

>> RUSSIA AND IRAN ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO CHALLENGE --TO POSE A GROWING THREAT TO OUR OWN SECURITY AS WELL AS TO RI ALLIES AND PARTNERS.

THEY HAVE BEEN PARTNERS IN A DEVASTATING WAR IN SYRIA AND NOW WE HAVE PROXIES RAINING FROM NORTHERN ISRAEL.

RUSSIA COULD STOP THIS BUT IT DOESN'T.

INSTEAD, TO THE CONTRARY, IT'S GOVERNMENT IS HOSTING HAMAS FOR TALKS IN MOSCOW.

IRAN IS SENDING UAVs TO RUSSIA TO ATTACK UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS.

SO WE ARE SEEING THE PROFOUND CONNECTIONS HERE.

>> I SEE YOU NODDING, IGOR ZHOVKVA.

HE SAYS WE ARE SEEING THE PROFOUND CONNECTIONS HERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU CANNOT, YOU SHOULD NOT EVEN BE , A SOPHISTICATED EXPERT, WHEN YOU SEE THAT THE HAMAS LEADERS ARE COMING TO MOSCOW WITH AN OFFICIAL VISIT.

OR WHEN YOU SEE THE FOR THE SUPPLIES TO RUSSIA AND THOSE DRONES HITTING UKRAINE SO YOU SEE THIS IS INTERCONNECTED AND THE ENEMY IS THE SAME.

AND WE SEE THAT THIS ROGUE STATE, WHICH WAS MENTIONED BY SECRETARY OF STATE RUSSIA AND IRAN , THEY ARE STANDING BEHIND, LOOK AT THE REACTION OF RUSSIAN EXPERTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EVENTS IN ISRAEL.

THEY WERE JOYFUL.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LOOK, FINALLY, IT HAPPENED.

I MEAN, AND LOOK WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN PAKISTAN.

THIS IS THE RESULT OF RUSSIAN POLICY OF HATRED, OF HATRED TOWARD JEWISH PEOPLE.

THEY ARE TELLING -- FOR THIS WAR.

THIS IS RUSSIA POLICY OF HATRED TOWARDS UKRAINIANS, JEWS, OTHER NATIONS.

THIS IS A SERIOUS WAR INSIDE FOR RUSSIA THEMSELVES.

IF THEY CONTINUE WITH SUCH A POLICY, THEY WILL GET THE RESULTS.

>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE SOME MILITARY ANALYSTS SORT OF SEE THAT ALL OF THIS SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY YOU ARE GETTING HAS ACTUALLY NOT MANAGED TO PENETRATE ENOUGH OF THE VERY LENGTHY OLD- FASHIONED DEFENSES THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE BEEN DIGGING.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE ACTUAL BATTLEFIELD?

>> WELL, THIS SITUATION IS NOT SIMPLE.

IS DIFFICULT.

IT'S COMPLICATED.

RIGHT YOU ARE.

WE HAD SEVERAL IMPORTANT --LIKE IN THE EASTERN UKRAINE AND CERTAINLY , RUSSIA'S ARMED FORCES ARE GETTING LESSONS FOR THEM.

REALLY, THE DEFENDING LINE IS SHOWN AND COMPLICATED AND YES, THIS IS NOT A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.

YOU MAKE IT THROUGH ONE DAY OR FIVE DAYS OR WHATEVER BUT RIGHT YOU ARE.

AS MANY WEAPONS THAT WE ARE GETTING.

IT'S MORE SOPHISTICATED FOR OUR ARMED FORCES .

AS IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR US TO GET THIS BREAKTHROUGH.

WE WILL NOT STOP.

THEY WILL NOT STOP SO RUSSIANS MAY NOT EVEN DREAM ABOUT WINTER WARS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM TIME FOR REGROUPING.

WE ARE MANAGING TO HAVE SOME SUCCESS IN SOME AREAS.

WE CERTAINLY COME IN THIS, WE WILL NOT COME IN THIS IN THE PRESS.

RUSSIANS ARE TRYING TO MAKE LOOK AT WHAT --THEY CHOSE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AS THEIR MAIN OBJECT, BUT LOOK.

ONLY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH , THEY LOST ALMOST A BRIGADE.

SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS , WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THAT SIGNIFICANCE IMPORTANCE , SO, BUT YES, THEY ARE OUTNUMBERING US , IN TERMS OF MANPOWER, ET CETERA.

BUT WE ARE OUTNUMBERING THEM IN TERMS OF SKILLS, IN TERMS OF SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS AND IN TERMS OF OUR BELIEF THAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR LAND.

>> YES, YES.

IGOR ZHOVKVA, THANK YOU SO MUCH INDEED.

WE WANT TO RETURN NOW TO GAZA.

HEBER HIM -- --UNDER HE HAS ANOTHER INSTALLMENT IN HIS DIARY DESCRIBING THE CONSTANT FEAR THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY LIVE IN.

>> [ SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE ] >> THAT TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS FEAR AND THIS CATASTROPHE.

ISRAEL SAYS IT IS STRIKING ALL PARTS OF GAZA IN ITS EFFORT TO GET HAMAS.

JUST AN UPDATE, THE IDF HAS NOW CONFIRMED AN AIRSTRIKE DID HIT THE LARGEST REFUGEE CAMP, JABALIA, IN THE AND NORTH.

AS WE CAN SEE, THE WORLD IS FACING SERIOUS SERIES OF CHALLENGES AND THE UNITED STATES IS INVOLVED IN ALL OF THEM.

IN A RECENT ARTICLE, THE ANTOINE LaGUARDIA ARGUES THAT THE U.S. COULD BE OVERSTRETCH AND HE GIVES HARI SREENIVASAN OF YOU ABROAD OF AMERICA.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

IN A RECENT ISSUE OF THE ECONOMIST ESSENTIALLY LAID OUT THE CASE OF WHY YOU THOUGHT THAT AMERICAN POWER IS GOING TO BE TESTED AND IT MAY BE ON THE DECLINE.

WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES FACING THE ADMINISTRATION AND JOE BIDEN?

MAKE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALREADY BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY AND TRYING TO SUPPORT UKRAINE IN ITS WAR AGAINST RUSSIA.

>> AT THE COST OF ECONOMIC AID AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ASKING WHETHER THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES HAD THE WHEREWITHAL TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY OVER SAY, TAIWAN.

YOU HAVE THE CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAPPENING THOUGH THIS IS A SECOND WAR THAT THE U.S. IS INVOLVED IN IN DIRECTLY BUT IN THIS CASE, MORE DIRECTLY IN THAT IT IS SENDING TWO STRIKE GROUPS TO AREAS AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST AND ASIAN ALLIES NOTICE THESE THINGS.

A LOT OF HARDWARE IS GOING THROUGH TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

HARDWARE THAT THEY WOULD PRESUMABLY LIKE TO SEE CLOSE TO ASIA.

IT GOES BEYOND MERELY, YOU KNOW, AMERICA'S MILITARY DEPLOYMENTS.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, CAN AMERICA'S INDUSTRIAL BASE SUPPORT THE NOW THREE SETS OF ALLIES, UKRAINE, ISRAEL, AND TAIWAN AT THE SAME TIME?

ALL OF WHICH IT IS TRYING TO ARM INTO THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND HELP THEM WAGE THEIR OWN CONFLICTS, OR AT LEAST DETER ATTACKS IN THE FUTURE AND THAT, IN TURN, LEADS TO THE WHOLE QUESTION OF AMERICA'S POLITICAL POLARIZED NATION AND THE PARALYSIS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN CONGRESS UNTIL NOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MONEY FOR UKRAINE IS EXTREMELY HARD TO COME BY.

YOU HAVE HAD THE HOLDUP OVER THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE , YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE RESOLVED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY FOR UKRAINE WILL BE FORTHCOMING.

>> ASSESS PRESIDENT BIDEN'S HANDLING SO FAR OF THE ISRAEL HAMAS WAR.

HE HAS BEEN STAUNCH ALLY OF ISRAEL.

HE HAS TAKEN THE STEPS NECESSARY SO THAT IS VISIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET TO SEE, AS YOU SAID.

HE HAS MOVED TWO CARRIER STRIKE GROUPS INTO THE REGION TO LET THE REGION KNOW THAT THE UNITED STATES WANTS TO MINIMIZE THE OUTBREAK OF THIS WAR FROM GETTING FURTHER.

WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW IN HOW HE POSTURES WITH ISRAEL .

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRIES TO STOP THIS WAR ?

>> HE HAS A VERY DIFFICULT HAND TO PLAY.

I THINK HE IS INSTINCTIVELY AND EMOTIONALLY CLOSE TO ISRAEL SO HE HAS EMBRACED ISRAEL, HUGGED THEM CLOSE, TO SHOW THAT AMERICA STANDS BEHIND ISRAEL.

NOTHING THAT COMES FROM A DEEPLY HELD CONVICTION.

HE CALLS HIMSELF A ZIONIST.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK HE IS TRYING TO EMBRACE ISRAEL IN THE SENSE AS A FORM OF RESTRAINT TO SAY, LOOK.

AS YOUR BEST FRIEND, I HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART.

THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS CONFLICT WITHIN BOUNDS, WITHIN BOUNDS OF THE RULES OF WAR, BUT ALSO WITHIN POLITICAL BOUNDS SO THAT THE HUMANITARIAN SUFFERING IN GAZA IS NOT DEEMED TO BE EXCESSIVE.

YOU ARE HEARING EVER LOUDER VOICES THAT THE , YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF PAIN OF THE POPULATION IN GAZA IS REACHING LEVELS THAT ARE EXTREMELY WORRYING.

NOT JUST IN TERMS OF --THE PLIGHTS OF HOSPITALS, AND SO ON.

HE IS TRYING TO BUY THEIR TIME, GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND GET AT HAMAS, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF A POLITICALLY VARIABLE.

>> IS THERE A RISK HERE FOR THE PRESIDENT IN DESTABILIZING THE REGION FURTHER BY TAKING THE ACTIONS THAT HE IS TAKING TO ESPECIALLY IF PATIENCE STARTS TO WEAR THIN IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT, PERHAPS, THIS RESPONSE FROM ISRAEL IS DISPROPORTIONATE ALREADY , BUT IT COULD BE MUCH WORSE.

>> IF PRESIDENT BIDEN CAN SHOW THAT HE HAS MODERATED ISRAEL'S RESPONSE , THEN I, YOU KNOW, HIS EMBRACE OF ISRAEL WILL BE SEEN AS A WISE THING TO DO.

IF, HOWEVER, IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A TERRIBLE , IT'S ALREADY A TERRIBLE HUMANITARIAN COSTS, BUT IT IMPOSES AN EVEN WORSE HUMANITARIAN PLIGHT ON GAZA AND PALESTINIANS, AND LEADS TO EVEN LARGER, MUCH LARGER LOSS OF LIFE, THEN THERE IS A DANGER THAT THE U.S. WILL BE TARRED BY THE SAME BRUSH.

IT WILL BECOME, IN A SENSE, COMPLICIT IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD.

IN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE UNITED STATES IS A BIG PART OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND HAS A SAY BUT IT IS STRIKING THAT THE WESTERN ALLIES WHO ARE SO UNITED ON THE QUESTION OF UKRAINE ARE MORE DIVIDED ON THE QUESTION OF ISRAEL AND PALESTINE.

YOU HAD A U.N. COUNCIL RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS VETOED BY THE UNITED STATES, UNITED KINGDOM ABSTAINED, INFERENCE VOTED IN FAVOR.

YOU DON'T SEE THAT KIND OF THREE-WAY SPLIT OVER UKRAINE, TYPICALLY.

>> DOES THIS PUT INTO FOCUS TRADITIONALLY WHAT HAS BEEN THE ROLE OF THE UNITED STATES AS THE MEDIATOR, THE NEGOTIATOR, THE PERSON YOU CAN CALL ?

IN ONE SENSE, I DON'T SEE THE PHONE LINES BURNING UP EVERYWHERE ELSE.

SAYING, HEY, HELP US GET OUT OF THE SITUATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE DAY BEFORE HE WAS SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THE JORDANIAN LEADER, THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP, THERE WAS THAT HORRIBLE ROCKET CHANGED ALL THE PLANS.

>> I THINK -- TO SHUN THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND BASICALLY SAY PLEASE DON'T COME.

IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE STRENGTHS OF OPINION ON THE ARAB STREET THAT OUR LEADERS ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATIONS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER BUT I THINK IT ALSO SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT DECLINING AMERICAN POWER AND INFLUENCE.

NEVERTHELESS, THE UNITED STATES REMAINS THE ONLY ADDRESSING PARTING BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN SPEAK TO ISRAEL AND TRY TO HELP ISRAEL FIND A WAY THROUGH AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UNITED STATES NEEDS TO DO IS TO HELP ISRAEL THINK WHAT HAPPENS THE DAY AFTER.

LET'S ASSUME FOR A MOMENT THAT THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN EVICTING HAMAS FROM GAZA, WHICH IS NOT AN EASY ORDER BUT LET'S ASSUME IT SUCCESSFUL.

THEN WHAT?

HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT AFTER PREVIOUS WARS, HAMAS DOES COME BACK AND IT IS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT AND A SOCIAL MOVEMENT AND THERE IS, AT THE MOMENT, NO ALTERNATIVE POWER THAT IS GOING TO RULE THE GAZA STRIP.

UNLESS THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS FIXED, THEN IT'S UNFORTUNATELY LIKELY TO LEAD TO YET ANOTHER CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.

>> THE PRESIDENT TRY TO MAKE THE CASE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO GET CONGRESS TO FUND BOTH OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE SUPPORT OF UKRAINE, AS WELL AS OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE SUPPORT OF ISRAEL.

HE WANTED TO TRY AND TIE THOSE TWO THINGS ALONG WITH NATIONAL SECURITY AT HOME WHEN HE'S ASKING CONGRESS FOR THE MONEY.

HE SAID, QUOTE, HAMAS AND PUTIN REPRESENT DIFFERENT THREATS BUT THEY SHARE THIS IN COMMON.

THEY BOTH WANT TO ANNIHILATE A NEIGHBORING DEMOCRACY, COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE IT.

IT'S HIS PLEA GETTING THROUGH, ESPECIALLY TO A NEW SPEAKER OF SEPARATE THESE DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENTS?

>> IT SEEMS THAT IT IS NOT GETTING THROUGH TO HIM IN PARTICULAR.

HE WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE THE BUNDLES AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO VOTE IN ISRAEL WHICH IS EXTREMELY POPULAR AND IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN UKRAINE ON UKRAINE, THERE IS STILL A BIPARTISAN MAJORITY THAT SUPPORTS HELPING UKRAINE AGAINST RUSSIA, PARTICULARLY AS THE COUNTEROFFENSIVE IS STALLING AND A LONG WAR IS A PROSPECT.

BUT IT IS BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT TO GET MORE MONEY, PARTICULARLY FOR REPUBLICANS AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, LOOK, LET'S HAVE ONE BIG VOTE ON UKRAINE.

LET'S GIVE THEM THE MONEY THEY NEED FOR THE COMING YEAR.

LET'S NOT COME BACK TO THIS AGAIN IN ELECTION YEAR.

WHETHER THEY SUCCEEDED IN DOING THAT QUESTION.

THE RULES OF CONGRESS ARE WHAT THEY ARE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTANTIAL ANTI-UKRAINE REPUBLICANS, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE SOME KIND OF VETO OVER WHAT THE HOUSE DOES, WHICH IN TURNS MEANS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A VETO ON WHAT CONGRESS, AS A WHOLE, DOES.

SO UNLESS A PROLE A PUBLIC IS WILLING TO CROSS THE AISLE, OBTAIN VOTES FROM DEMOCRATS ON THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW THINGS REALLY PROGRESS.

>> THE OTHER KIND OF ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, IF YOU WILL, CHINA.

CHINA SEEMS TO BE THE SORT OF THIRD MAJOR INTERNATIONAL CRISES THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS TO CONFRONT.

>> PRESIDENT BIDEN COMING INTO OFFICE WAS HOPING TO HAVE STABLE AND PREDICTABLE RELATIONSHIPS WITH EUROPE AND RUSSIA AND TO PART THE MIDDLE EAST IN ORDER TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT HAS TURNED OUT.

HE'S GOT A MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE AND NOW HE HAS A MAJOR WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, TOO, TO MANAGE.

AND NOW THE QUESTION IS WHETHER CHINA IS SEEING A STRETCHED AMERICA .

WILL WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO , YOU KNOW, ACT ON TAIWAN, WHETHER IN THE GRAY ZONE, OR AS AN OVERT INVASION.

THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MECHANICAL.

A LOT DEPENDS ON THE POLITICS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN TAIWAN, IN THE UNITED STATES, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR AND INDEED, IN THE POLITICS OF WHAT HAPPENS, WHICH ARE HARDER TO DIVIDE, NEVERTHELESS, MILITARY STRATEGISTS WORRY ABOUT A SUPPOSEDLY WINDOW OF VULNERABILITY WHEN CHINA'S MILITARY STRENGTH WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE AND AMERICAS WILL NOT CATCH UP UNTIL THE 23rd WHEN NEW INVESTMENTS BEGIN TO BEAR FRUIT.

IN THE MEANTIME, THERE IS A MOVE TOWARDS HELPING TAIWAN BECOME MORE OF A --WITH MORE DEFENSIVE WEAPONS TO HOLD OFF A POTENTIAL CHINESE INVASION .

YOU HAVE STARTED TO SEE SOME WEAPONS BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO TAIWAN AND THIS NEW PACKAGE OF NATIONAL SECURITY SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN REQUESTED APPEARS TO CONTAIN MONEY FOR TAIWAN, AS WELL.

THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE THAT IS WORTH WATCHING AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, AMERICANS IN THE INDO PACIFIC, EVERY DAY THAT PASSES WITHOUT A CHINESE ATTACK ON TAIWAN IS A GOOD DAY.

>> EARLIER THIS DAY, JAKE SULLIVAN IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR WROTE ON THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS THAT THE UNITED STATES IS UNDER UTILIZING OR EVEN UNDERMINING OUR ALLIANCES WITH OTHER DEMOCRACIES AND I WONDER IF UNITED STATES HAS BEEN ABLE TO REFRAME AND ADJUST THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

>> IT IS TRUE THAT AMERICA'S ALLIANCES WERE PUT UNDER GREAT STRAIN IN THE TRUMP YEARS.

IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS INVESTED A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT IN BRINGING TOGETHER ITS ALLIES, BOTH IN EUROPE AND IN ASIA .

RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HAS BEEN A CATALYST FOR THAT.

NATO IS MORE COMPACT THAN IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

IT HAS A RENEWED SENSE OF PURPOSE.

JAPAN, AUSTRALIA, AND OTHERS HAVE ALSO TRIED TO HELP EUROPE AGAINST RUSSIA IN THE BELIEF THAT, OR IN THE HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THERE BE CONTINGENCY IN ASIA, EUROPE WILL COME TO THEIR AID IN TURN.

SO YOU ARE SEEING THIS KIND OF NETWORK OF ALLIANCES GROWING CLOSER TOGETHER ON TOP OF WHICH YOU'VE HAD THIS AD HOC PATCHWORK OF RELATIONSHIP .

SO I THINK ON THE ALLIANCE FRONT, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A FAIRLY GOOD JOB.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WHERE THE U.S. TAKES A POSITION THAT IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF ITS ALLIES WILL PUT A NEW STRAIN ON IT.

AT THE MOMENT, I DO NOT THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT IT MIGHT BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY IF IT STARTS TO HAVE REPERCUSSIONS ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST AND SO ON.

YOU GET A FLOW OF, YOU KNOW, MIGRANTS FROM THE WORLD INTO EUROPE.

THE OTHER WAY THAT THIS AFFECTS THINGS IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION AMERICA CAN PAY TO ANY PARTICULAR SET OF REGIONAL PROBLEMS.

THE LAST THING TO SAY IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CAME IN WITH A VERY STRONG DEMOCRACIES VERSUS AUTOCRACY MIND-SET AND WORLDVIEW.

IT HAS SOMEWHAT MODERATED THAT BECAUSE IT REALIZED IT NEEDS NOT NECESSARILY DEMOCRACIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, VIETNAM , WHICH IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, BUT IS A USEFUL PARTNER WITH WHICH TO COUNTERBALANCE CHINA.

SO I THINK YOU ARE SEEING A MORE NUANCED PERCEPTION BY THE ADMINISTRATION .

SO FAR, SO GOOD.

BUT THERE IS STILL SOME WAY TO GO.

AND, BY THE WAY, IF CONGRESS WERE TO CUT OFF AID TO UKRAINE, THAT WOULD PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF STRAIN ON RELATIONS WITH THE EUROPEANS.

>> GIVEN THE DYSFUNCTION INSIDE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, AND GIVEN HOW STRETCHED THE UNITED STATES IS IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THEATERS , I WONDER WHAT THAT SAYS TO COUNTRIES THAT ARE OUR ALLIES ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN BE A PARTNER THAT CAN BE COUNTED ON.

>> IT IS A WORRY AROUND THE WORLD , AMONG AMERICA'S FRIENDS AND PARTNERS.

BUT IT IS A WORRY THAT THEY CANNOT DO MUCH ABOUT.

SO THEIR ONLY CHOICE IS TO KEEP TRYING TO WORK WITH THE UNITED STATES .

IT IS EASIER WITH JOE BIDEN, IT WILL BE HARDER.

IT WAS HARDER WITH DONALD TRUMP AND IT MAY BE HARDER AGAIN IF HE IS RE-ELECTED.

SO, SURE, COUNTRIES CAN TRY AND HEDGE SOMEWHAT.

YOU HERE FOR EXAMPLE, FRENCH PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON SAYING THIS IS TIME FOR EUROPE TO GAIN SOME STRATEGIC BECAUSE WE CANNOT ALWAYS RELY ON THE UNITED STATES AND, INDEED, WHAT EVEN UNDER JOE BIDEN, THERE IS STILL THE SORT OF TENDENCIES TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FOR AMERICANS TO CLOSE IN ON ITSELF .

EIGHT TO UKRAINE MAY NOT ALWAYS BE FORTHCOMING.

THEREFORE, WE MUST DO MORE.

THE PROBLEM, OF COURSE, IS THAT EUROPEANS DON'T YET HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO IT, BECOMING LONG EFFORT AND IT'S SLOW PROGRESS BECAUSE THEY, TOO, HAVE TO TRADE OFF SPENDING ON DEFENSE AND SECURITY AGAINST SOCIAL SPENDING AND ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT THEY MUST CONFRONT.

SO IT'S DIFFICULT.

IT'S EASIER AND CHEAPER TO DO THINGS TOGETHER WITH THEIR LIVES AND IT'S HARDER TO DO IT SEPARATE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE BIG QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER EUROPE CAN DO IT , GIVEN THE LACK OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, IF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP WERE LACKING, GUIDANCE AND THE NUCLEAR UMBRELLA THAT THE UNITED STATES EXTENDS OVER A PLACE LIKE EUROPE.

>> ANTWON BLAKE ARDEA FROM THE ECONOMIST, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> AND FINALLY TONIGHT, A GOLDEN CAP FOR SPAIN AFTER A LONG FIGHT FOR EQUALITY.

THE SPANISH FOOTBALLER --HAS WON THE AWARD FOR BEST FEMALE FOOTBALL PLAYER OF THE YEAR.

A WELL DESERVED WIN FOR SPANISH SOCCER AFTER A ROLLER COASTER FEW MONTHS.

ONE THAT SAW THE TEAM WIN THE WOMEN'S WORLD CUP IN AUGUST, ONLY TO GO ON STRIKE JUST TO EARN MINIMUM WAGE.

THEY ALSO HAD TO FIGHT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF THEIR OWN NATION'S FOOTBALL FEDERATION.

AFTER HE PLANTED AN UNWANTED KISS ON A PLAYER YESTERDAY, HE WAS BANNED FROM THE DOOR FOR THREE YEARS.

HE SAID HE WILL APPEAL.

BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO A PLAYER AND A TEAM, FINALLY ABLE TO CELEBRATE AND ENJOY A GOLDEN MOMENT.

THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.