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AS WORLD LEADERS GATHER IN NEW YORK, BRAZIL'S PRESIDENT LULA IS FIRST TO TAKE THE STAGE WITH TRADE, CHINA AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ON THE LINE.

I SPEAK EXCLUSIVELY WITH THE BRAZILIAN LEADER.

> >> THEN A MEGA MEDIA MERGER MOVES CLOSER TO THE FINISH LINE.

PARAMOUNT'S TAKE EVERY OF WARNER BROS AS TRUMP BANS CNN AND OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

BRIAN SETTLER JOINS ME WITH NEW MAJOR STORIES SHAPING OUR INDUSTRY.

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

IN NEW YORK.

THE STARTING GUN HAS BEEN FIRED ON NEW YORK'S TRAFFIC SNARL, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY SUMMIT.

LOOMING LARGE OVER THE WORLD LEADERS ATTENDING IS PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS VIEW OF INTERNATIONAL RULES OF THE ROAD, AS WE KNOW IT'S THE STRONGEST THAT GETS TO DOMINATE THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S VIEW, BUT AFTER TRYING TO TAKE IT ON THE CHIN SINCE HIS INAUGUST IMMIGRATION, MANY WORLD LEADERS ARE .

LULA WILL DELIVER THE FIRST ADDRESS TO U. N. ON TUESDAY AS PER TRADITION.

WITH TRUMP'S ADDRESS.

LULA IS RUNNING FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED FOURTH TERM AND FACES A TIGHT RACE AGAINST FLAVIO BOLSONARO WHOSE ATHER WAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

NEW FOREVER WARS AROUND THE WORLD AND NOW LULA IS JOINING OTHER POWERS TO PUSH BACK WHAT THEY CALL THE RETURN OF SPHERES OF INFLUENCE IN POWER POLITICS.

HE SPOKE BLUNTLY WHEN I SPOKE DOWN WITH THIS BRAZILIAN PRESIDENT AHEAD OF HIS SPEECH.

> >> MR.

PRESIDENT, WELCOME BACK TO OUR PRESIDENT.

>> Translator: IT'S MY PLEASURE.

ONCE AGAIN TO BE INTERVIEWED BY YOU.

>> WELL, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TIME AND YOU'VE BEEN HAVING QUITE A LOT OF ISSUES TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LET ME FIRST ASK YOU, ABOUT A NEW OP-ED, A IN PROPOSAL THAT YOU'VE MADE ALONG WITH CANADA, KENYA AND THE EU, CALLED PARTNERS FOR MULTILATERALISM, WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT.

>> Translator: WELL, AMAN POUR, WE'RE FACING AN ECONOMIC WAR THAT'S UNNECESSARY TO THE WORLD.

TO KEEP THE WORLD IN A CERTAIN WORLD HARMONY, IF WE DON'T HAVE TRADE HARMONY EVERYTHING WILL BE A MESS IN THE WORLD ECONOMY AND THE BEHAVIOR OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE HAS A STRONG BIAS TO IN FAVOR OF YUAN LATE REALISM WITHOUT TAKING ACCOUNT OF TRADE ISSUES, THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS.

WHO HAS STRONGER IN THE ECONOMY, WHO HAS MORE WEAPONS, MORE TECHNOLOGICAL AND TRADE HAS TO BE BALANCED.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- IT HAS TO BE A TWO-WAY STREET, I BUY AND SELL.

A CERTAIN BALANCE, SO THERE'S DISTORTION FOR A COUNTRY TO BE FAVORED MORE THAN OTHERS.

WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THE FOLLOWING, THE BEST WAY TO KEEP THE WORLD IN HARMONY IS FOR US TO STRENGTHEN MULTILATERALISM.

>> LAST TIME YOU WERE ON MY PROGRAM, YOU WERE BRAZIL, I WAS IN LONDON INTERVIEWING, WHEN THERE WAS A TALKS OF SANCTIONS, INTERVENTION IN YOUR DOMESTIC AFFAIRS AND YOU CALLED PRESIDENT TRUMP EMPEROR, DO YOU STILL BELIEVE HE'S ACTING LIKE AN EMPEROR WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTRIES LIKE YOURS?

>> Translator: YES, WELL, IT'S A WAY OF GOVERNING THAT I DON'T AGREE, HE AS A WAY OF GOVERNING, I'M THE STRONGEST, I'M THE MIDAS, I'M THE RICHEST, OTHERS HAVE TO OBEY, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THOSE TARIFFS WERE BASED ON LIES.

BRAZIL HAS A TRADE DEFICIT OF MANY BILLION DOLLARS WITH THE U. S. , WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW INSTEAD OF CRY OUT, I'M TRYING TO SNEAK NEW PARTNERS JUST FOR YOU TO HAVE AN IDEA, TRADE DEFICIT WITH THE UNITED STATES HAS FALLEN 9%.

8.

5% IMPORTS FROM THE U. S. TO BRAZIL.

NEVERTHELESS WE HAD A GROWTH AVERAGE WITH 57 OTHER COUNTRIES.

JAPAN, WE GREW 18%.

GERMANY, 16%.

INDONESIA, 8%.

VIETNAM, 14%.

EUROPEAN UNION 23% OF GROWTH.

I'M GOING TO SEEK OTHER PARTNERS TO TRY TO BUY AND SELL.

WE CAN APPLY THE LAW OF RECIPROCITY WITH THE U. S. I'M VERY CAUTIOUS WITH THAT.

I TALKED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THE PHONE, WE OPENED NEGOTIATIONS.

SO WE'RE NEGOTIATING ONCE AGAIN, WHILE WE'RE STILL AROUND THE NEGOTIATING TABLE I DON'T HAVE TO APPLY THE RECIPROCITY LAW, BUT I HAVE TO BE MORE PATIENT, IF THERE'S NO AGREEMENT WE'LL HAVE TO APPLY THE RECIPROCITY LAW >> AS YOU KNOW, CANADA FACES THE SAME ISSUE, PRESIDENT TRUMP IMPOSED TARIFFS ON CANADA, THERE WAS NEGOTIATIONS, THEY COLLAPSED, CANADA SAYING THE DEMANDS BY THE UNITED STATES INFRINGED ON THEIR SOVEREIGNTY AND CANADA COUNTER PUNCHED WITH THEIR OWN TARIFFS.

YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THE NEGOTIATIONS TO GO.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS TO FAIL AND TO BE IN A TARIFF WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES?

>> Translator: I DON'T WANT TO GO TO A TARIFF WAR WITH THE U. S. AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

WHAT I WANT TO NEGOTIATE.

I BELIEVE IN NEGOTIATIONS.

I WAS BORN IN THE LABOUR MOVEMENT.

TRADE UNION MOVEMENT TO BARGAIN.

I'LL DO THE EFFORTS TO BARGAIN AND NEGOTIATE.

IN CASE THE U. S. DOESN'T WANT TO.

WE HAVE A BILL, A REPROSTY BILL THAT WAS PASSED BY A VOTE IN OUR CONGRESS.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, SO WE HAVE TO THINK --WHAT ARE THE GOODS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UNDER THE RECIPROCITY LAW IN THE U. S.

>> WE'RE A PARTNER IN THIS PARTNER FOR MULTILATERALISM CANADA, AT THE EU THIS WEEK, AND THERE WAS A BIG RECEPTION FOR HIM AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY FLOATED THE IDEA OF AN ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP WITH EU.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

IT'S UNPRECEDENTED.

BUT THE CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER SAID WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FORM ANOTHER POWER, ALBEIT WITH BETTER MANNERS, CHALLENGE THE UNITED STATES, IS THIS AN ATTEMPT TO CHALLENGE THE UNITED STATES.

OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE IN THE WORLD THAT YOU DESCRIBE AS THE U. S.

--THE STRONGEST SURVIVE WORLD.

>> Translator: WE DON'T WANT TO CHALLENGE THE U. S. , WE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEIR OWN SOVEREIGNTY.

THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND THE U. S. CAN'T IMPOSE THEIR RULES OVER THE OTHERS.

THIS IS THE FABULOUS OF THE MATTER.

WE DON'T WANT TO CHALLENGE OR CONFRONT.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ELECTED TO BE THE U. S. PRESIDENT, HE HAS THE RIGHT TO GOVERN THE US BUT HE DOESN NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GOVERN OTHER COUNTRIES.

HE HAS TO HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO NEGOTIATE.

WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE IN THE U. S. DOMESTIC AFFAIRS.

WE WANT TO BUILD PARTNERSHIPS WITH AMERICAN COMPANIES, CHINESE COMPANIES, GERMAN COMPANIES.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS IMPOSITION.

THEN WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

I'M NOT A GUY WHO WANTS TO SHOW BRAVERY, I DON'T BLUFF.

I LIKE TO RESPECT AND I LIKE TO BE RESPECTED AND SHOW RESPECT THIS IS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I WANT WITH THE U. S.

>> YOU FACE AN ELECTION IN TWO WEEKS, YOUR ECONOMY HAS BEEN GROWING 2% OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

YOU'RE IN A STATISTICAL TIE IF THERE'S RUNOFF WITH FLAVIO BOLSONARO.

WHEN YOUR RUNNING AGAINST THE FATHER AT THIS TIME, YOU WERE 9 PERCENTAGE POINTS AHEAD, SO YOU'RE NOT DOING AS WELL THIS TIME AROUND, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT YOUR ELECTION PROSPECTS?

>> Translator: IF THE ELECTIONS, I'M CONCERNED, CHRISTIANE.

THE RESULTS AFTER THE BALLOT BOX IS OPEN.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHAT'S AT STAKE IN BRAZIL TODAY, IS NOT A CHOICE OF PEOPLE OR PARTIES AGAINST --WHAT IT'S AT STAKE TODAY IS A CHOICE THAT EITHER WE HAVE DEMOCRACY OR WE HAVE BARBARISM, OR POLICY TO CONSERVE NATION.

POLICY OF SOCIAL INCLUSION OR LEAVE THE POOR ABANDONED.

THE STRENGTHENING OF CULTURE OR THE END OF CULTURE.

THIS IS WHAT'S AT THE STAKE.

I HAVE THE AWARENESS THAT I'M GOING TO WIN THE ELECTIONS.

I'M SURE I'LL WIN THE ELECTIONS.

BECAUSE BRAZIL NEEDS DEMOCRACY.

THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO WIN THE ELECTIONS.

WE DID WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO AS FAR AS SOCIAL INCLUSION POLICS.

FROM HEALTHCARE, NO ONE DO MORE THAN US IN THIS FIELD.

PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE NOW.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ELECTION PROCESS AND THAT DEMOCRACY WILL BE THE MOST DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, OUR BALLOT BOXES ARE VERY GOOD.

OUR ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEM SHOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD.

A COUNTRY THAT HAD 160 MILLION VOTERS IN 27 FEDERATION STATES, THE RESULTS BECAUSE OF THE VOTING OF THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEM.

NO OTHER COUNTRY CAN DO THAT.

THERE'S NO --IT'S NOT A CONTESTED ELECTION.

SO I'M COMFORTABLE.

WE STILL HAVE 17 DAYS OF CAMPAIGN AND WE'RE GOING TO WIN THE ELECTIONS ONCE AGAIN.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE A VERY CONFIDENT MAN, THE THING IS, UNITED STATES, PARTICULARLY PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH HIS MAGA COALITION AND HIS FAVORING OF THE FAR RIGHT HAS HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS IN LATIN AMERICA OVER THE PAST YEAR, PERU, ECUADOR, COLOMBIA, ALL THESE COUNTRIES, IN ARGENTINA, ET CETERA, HAVE ELECTED RIGHT-LEANING PRESIDENTS NOT TO MENTION IN CENTRAL AMERICA, WHICH EXISTS RIGHT NOW, BUT, INTERESTINGLY --WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THAT KIND OF INFLUENCE BY THE UNITED STATES IN DOMESTIC AFFAIRS, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW ONE OF THE BOLSONARO'S SONS HAS BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES ALSO TRYING TO GIN UP AMERICAN SANCTIONS AND OTHER THINGS AGAINST YOUR GOVERNMENT, WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THAT, IS IT A RISK?

WHAT IS YOUR VIEW?

>> Translator: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HIDING IN THE U. S. , A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY'RE PLOTTING AGAINST BRAZIL, I CALL THEM TRAITORS OF OUR COUNTRY.

>> PARTICULARLY MEAN BOLSONARO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEM -- HIDING >> Translator: YES, HE'S ONE OF THE TRAITORS OF OUR COUNTRY.

HE'S IN THE U. S. AGAINST BRAZIL.

THIS IS HAPPENING AS A FACT.

MONEY THAT'S COMING HERE, SOON WE'LL DISCLOSE THIS MYSTERY OF THE DARK HORSE, HOW IT WAS FINANCED.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE U. S. NOT TO MEDDLE IN THE BRAZILIAN ELECTIONS.

THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U. S. AND BRAZIL IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN COUNTRY.

WE HAVE A SOPHISTICATED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U. S. I SAID IT ALREADY, IMPORTANT TO NOT TO MEDDLE IN THE BRAZILIAN ELECTIONS.

THE U. S. ELECTIONS IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MATTERS AND PEOPLE WHO MAKE MISTAKES, THAT'S THE PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

I DON'T WANT THE U. S. TO HAVE KIND OF INTERFERENCE.

SOME CLUES OF INTERFERENCE, OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE GOING ON, WITH MARCO RUBIO, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE BOLSONARO FAMILY.

>> WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAID WHEN YOU TOLD HIM NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTIONS?

>> Translator: WELL, HE HAS ALREADY SAID TO A LOT OF PERSONS THAT HE WILL NOT INTERFERE IN THE BRAZILIAN ELECTIONS.

AND IT'S GOOD THAT HE SAID THAT.

IT'S GOOD THAT HE SHOULD DO THAT.

THIS IS THE ROLE I EXPECT FROM THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE UNITED STATES AND THE ELECTION IS THE PROBLEM FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

BRAZIL ELECTIONS IS A PROBLEM OF BRAZIL, WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES.

I CAME TO TALK WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP HERE, I DELIVERED TO HIM FOUR DOCUMENTS, ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS WAS ABOUT ORGANIZED CRIME AND DRUG TRAFFICKING AND PUTTING BRAZIL AT HIS DISPOSAL TO WORK, TO FIGHT ORGANIZED CRIME AND TO FIGHT DRUG TRAFFICKING AND TO FIGHT WEAPONS AND ARMS TRAFFICKING.

I GAVE HIM A DOCUMENT.

HE DIDN'T GIVE ME AN ANSWER YET ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL.

WE'RE WILLING TO FIGHT ORGANIZED CRIME IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT SECRETARY OF STATE RUBIO, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT HIM FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.

HE'S CLEARLY ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION'S LATIN AMERICA POLICY AND PARTICULARLY ABOUT MAYBE COLLAPSING CUBA AND HAVING COLLAPSED THE GOVERNMENT OF VENEZUELA, THE UNITED STATES IS NOW IN FULL CHARGE OF VENEZUELA, DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT THE UNITED STATES DID IN VENEZUELA IS A STEP ON THE ROUTE TO DEMOCRACY, DO YOU SUPPORT RODRIGUEZ AS THE LEGITIMATE LEADER OF VENEZUELA.

DO YOU THINK VENEZUELA'S INDEPENDENT RIGHT NOW?

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE REGION.

>> Translator: IT'S VERY SEVERE WHAT THE U. S. DID TO VENEZUELA.

THEY CONVEY THE IDEA THEY'RE GOVERNING THE VENEZUELA, THE BIG BOSS OF VENEZUELA.

THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE COUNTRY HAS ENDED.

THIS IS NOT GOOD, THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE U. S. NOT GOOD FOR VENEZUELA.

NOT GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY EITHER.

WE SHOULD BUILD A PARTNERSHIP WITH VENEZUELA.

IF I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF VENEZUELA I WOULD CALL A NATIONAL ELECTION SO THE PRESIDENT COULD CHOOSE WHO'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY, BECAUSE THE U. S. THEY'RE TREATING DULCI, THIS IS EXPLICIT IN ALL OF THE REPORTS, PRESIDENT TRUMP LIKES TO STATE HE CONTROLS THE OIL TO THE UNITED STATES, HE HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.

THIS IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO FOLLOW INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS OR POLICY FOR THE U. S. IF HE MADE A MISTAKE HE HAS TO PUT ON TRIAL AND AN INVESTIGATION.

ONE COUNTRY CAN'T CHARGE SOMEONE ELSE.

WE'RE THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS THAT EVERYONE SAID THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN CARRIED, WHERE ARE THESE CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

WHERE'S THE NUCLEAR BOMB THAT IRAN HAVE?

THE U. S. DIDN'T ACCEPT OUR AGREEMENT WITH IRAN.

THERE'S NO NUCLEAR BOMB IN IRAN.

NOW THEY WENT TO WAR AGAINST IRAN, THE WORLD IS NOW PAYING MORE IVE PRICE FOR GAS AND FERTILIZERS IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND THE PRICE OF FOOD IS GOING UP IN THE UNITED STATES AND ALL COUNTRIES.

I CREATED A SPECIAL TAX, THE SURPLUS OF OIL THAT WE EXPORT THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THE PRICE OF BEANS AFFECTED BY THE WAR, WE DON'T WANT --WE DON'T WANT THIS CONFUSION OF WAR REACHES BRAZIL, AFFECTS THE BRAZIL.

THE HORMUZ STRAIT IS BRINGING DAMAGE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

THE REASON FOR THIS WAR?

TRUMP SAID, I KILLED -- THERE'S A LACK OF.

PRESIDENT XI JINPING, PUTIN, THEY NEVER GATHERED TO DISCUSS THESE SECURITY MATTERS.

AND WE HAD 70,000 WOMEN AND CHILDREN KILLED IN THE GAZA STRIP, THE COUNCIL DIDN'T GATHER.

YAEN GOING ON FOR FIVE YEARS, THE U. N. SECURITY CIL DIDN'T GATHER.

WHAT IS THE USE OF THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL.

ONLY FIVE PERMANENT MEMBERS.

WHY DON'T THESE FIVE GATHER.

I FAULT TRUMP, XI JINPING AND PUTIN, GATHER TO DISCUSS PEACE IN THE WORLD AND END THE CONFLICT.

WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY FOR EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, FOOD AND WE'RE SPENDING TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN WARS, SO ARE WE GOING TO END UP WITH ALL THIS?

WHEN HUMANITY WILL REACH PEACE?

WHEN?

THE LEADERS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LARGEST ECONOMIES, THE GREATEST TECHNOLOGY, THE GREATEST ARMY, THE GREATEST NAVY, THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF ATOMIC BOMBS, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD STOP THE PEACE.

THEY'RE JUST FOSTERING LIES.

MY QUESTION IS THE FOLLOWING, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO END HUNGER IN THE WORLD, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO END ILLITERACY IN THE WORLD?

>> YOU'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE ASKING.

DO YOU BELIEVE THIS NEW INITIATIVE IS GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE JUST VERY PASSIONATELY LAID DOWN?

>> Translator: WE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION.

MY APPEAL --LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, NOW'S GOING TO BE --ELECTED NEW SECRETARY-GENERAL FOR THE U. N.

>> HE OR SHE?

>> Translator: WE'RE 190 COUNTRIES, RIGHT, WE'RE 190 MEMBERS OF THE U. N. , THE BOTTOM LINE, WHO CHOOSES THE GENERAL MEMBERS, THEY HAVE VETO POWER, NO ONE WILL BE ELECTED, SO I ASK MYSELF, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY THE U. N. IS ORGANIZED, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND GIVE MORE REPRESENTATION TO THE U. N. , BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S DISCREDITED.

THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION DOESN'T WORK.

THE U. N. HAS NO POWER TO AVOID CONFLICTS.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE U. N. ?

DISMANTLE THE U. N. ?

SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED, THAT HAS AN IMPORTANCE AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

THE LEADERS ARE DOING NOTHING.

THEY'RE QUIET, SILENT, JUST WAITING AND SEE THE CONFUSION GOING ON, JUST WATCH AND THE WORLD IS DISTURBED.

ECONOMICALLY, POLITICALLY, MILITARILY AND SO I'M VERY BOTHERED.

I HAVE A GREAT INDIGNATION WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, I'M 80 YEARS OF AGE, I'VE BEEN IN POLITICS FOR 50 YEARS, IT'S GETTING WORSE, EVERY DAY I SAY THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE, WORSENING.

ANY COUNTRY NOW COULD INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY.

NO TERRITORIAL --DO YOU BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT?

WE CAN'T LIVE BASED ON LIES.

IF THERE WAS A DRUG TRAFFICKING IN VENEZUELA, YOU ARREST THE DRUG TRAFFICKERS.

THEY HAVEN'T SHOWED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE BOATS WERE DRUG TRAFFICKERS.

UNTIL WHEN WE'LL BE SUBORDINATED TO LIES, MUCH MORE EASIER FOR US TO HAVE PEACE IN THE WORLD AND TRANQUILITY THROUGH THE U. N. , THE G20, THE G7, THEY DON'T DISCUSS CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE LAST MEETINGS.

BECAUSE THE MAJOR LEADERS DON'T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN IT.

I'VE SEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS STUFF.

BRAZIL, LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT, TOO.

WE DIDN'T ALLOW THAT DENIALISM.

DENIALISM CANNOT WORK OUT IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD, WHAT WORKS IS TO TAKE CARE OF POLICY, TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE, THIS WE KNOW HOW TO DO WITH GREAT WISDOM AND TALENT.

>> THANK YOU, LULA, VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

> >> CNN, POLITICO AND MS NOW, ARE SUING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVER THE PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO BAN THEIR JOURNALISTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE THREE OUTLETS SAY THE MOVE VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THEY'RE ASKING A FEDERAL COURT TO RESTORE ACCESS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP BARRED THEM AFTER COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT HE CALLED PERSISTENTLY QUOTE NEGATIVE COVERAGE.

THIS COMES AS A SETTLEMENT HAD BEEN REACHED WITH THE STATES' ATTORNEYS-GENERAL TO BLOCK PARAMOUNT ACQUISITION'S OF WARNER BROS.

CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS THE DEAL INCLUDES NEW SAFEGUARDS FOR THE EDITORIAL INDEPENDENCE OF CBS NEWS AND CNN.

>> IT MUST ESTABLISH A NEWS EDITORIAL INDEPENDENCE BOARD.

TO SUPPORT CBS NEWS AND CNN'S CONTINUED EDITORIAL INDEPENDENCE.

TO ENSURE INDEPENDENT FACT-BASED REPORTING AT CBS AND CNN.

>> WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

BRIAN SETTLER IS JOINING ME NOW.

BRIAN, THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ALL OVER THIS, SO, BECAUSE WE'RE CNN AND PART OF THIS DOES INVOLVE US, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, AND IS THERE ANY FURTHER THOUGHT ON WHAT AN INDEPENDENT EDITORIAL BOARD WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN, WHO FILLS IT, WHAT ARE THE RED LINES, ET CETERA?

>> I'VE BEEN READING THROUGH THE TERMS THAT HAVE BEEN SET NOW AND ACTUALLY SHARED WITH THE COURT IN CALIFORNIA, BECAUSE THIS IS A LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE SETTLEMENT.

KNOWN AS A CONSENT DECREE ACCEPTED BY PARAMOUNT.

IT SPECIFIES THAT THIS EDITORIAL BOARD WILL HAVE FIVE JOURNALISTS EITHER ACTIVE OR RETIRED JOURNALISTS, IT SAYS NO MORE THAN TWO OF THEM CAN BE FROM THE SAME POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR THERE WITH THAT LANGUAGE IS VIEWPOINT DIVERSITY.

THIS EDITORIAL BOARD IS THERE TO PROVIDE PROTECTIONS.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO SET STANDARDS AND RESOLVE DISPUTES THAT ARISE.

HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO WORK, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE ARE GIANT QUESTION MARKS, CHRISTIANE.

I'LL TELL YOU, I'M A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL AND THE REASON I'M SKEPTICAL BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, FOR EXAMPLE AT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND RUPERT MURDOCH BOUGHT THE JOURNAL.

THERE WAS A BOARD SET UP.

BUT PEOPLE SAY THEY WERE MOSTLY TOOTHLESS.

SO, MAYBE THIS ONE WILL BE EFFECTIVE BUT THE DEVIL WILL BE IN THE DETAILS.

WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS YET.

>> HERE'S THE THING, WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE, WE'VE SEEN THE PARAMOUNT, SKYDANCE ELLISON'S TAKEOVER OF CBS NEWS FIRST, WE'VE SEEN WHAT THEIR VIEW OF EDITORIAL INDEPENDENCE MEANS, WHOLESALE REORIENTATION OF THE PERSONNEL AND THE EDITOR IN CHIEF'S VIEWS ON WHAT EDITORIAL INDEPENDENCE LOOKS LIKE.

AND THERE'S BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT OF CRITICISM ABOUT WHAT THIS TRANSPIRES TO BE, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS DEAL ALSO ADDS THE EDITORIAL BOARD FUNCTION FOR CBS.

I MEAN, I THOUGHT CBS THING WAS KIND OF DONE AND DUSTED.

>> THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING POINT, THIS IS PARTLY AS A RESULT OF THE STATE'S ATTORNEYS GENERAL NEGOTIATING OVER THE WEEKEND.

IN CONNECTICUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HE SAID IN A STATEMENT HE WAS FIGHTING TO PROTECT BOTH CBS NEWS AND CNN, HE SAID HE WANTED THEM TO BOTH BE SOLD OFF BY PARAMOUNT.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT CBS?

CBS NEWS IS REALLY COMPLICATED RIGHT NOW.

PARAMOUNT'S OWNED IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

BARI WEISS HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

SOME FIRINGS, SOME SHOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED, ALSO STILL A LOT OF ROBUST JOURNALISM BEING PRODUCED BY CBS NEWS.

LOT OF TOUGH COVERAGE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

A CBS EXCLUSIVE SHOWING BOLD OUT U. S. MILITARY BASES AND AIRCRAFT.

CBS PUBLISHED THE PHOTOS EVEN THOUGH THE PENTAGON WAS FURIOUS.

IT'S COMPLICATED RIGHT NOW.

WEISS HAS BROUGHT THOSE OPINIONS TO THE NEWSROOM.

SHE'S FIRED "60 MINUTES" CORRESPONDENTS AND OVERHAULED THE SHOW.

>> EXACTLY, I THINK -- I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO IT TOO MUCH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SKEPTICISM, THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON -- >> THE JURY IS STILL OUT.

>> RIGHT, EXACTLY.

NOW, SO MANY QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT THE CNN THING, WE'LL SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT, WE'VE ALSO -- >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ANSWERS.

>> I KNOW.

>> CHRISTIANE, WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR 45 YEARS, CNN KEEPS GOING, NO MATTER WHO, WHAT, THIS NETWORK KEEPS ON GOING.

>> OKAY, INTERESTING.

I HAVE BEEN HERE 43 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN IT ALL, EVERY MERGER, EVERY BUYOUT, SO FAR WE JUST KEEP GOING.

LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE BECAUSE THERE WAS A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ISSUE REALLY AFFECTING THE CALIFORNIA WAS THE ECONOMIC ISSUE OVER THE FILM INDUSTRY, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS REALLY MOTIVATING THE STOP THE DEAL, ET CETERA, STOP THE MERGER, ET CETERA, DO YOU THINK --BECAUSE IT'S QUITE COMPLICATED THE MATH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY FILMS AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ROOM NATION THAT WAS LAID OUT, I THOUGHT IN THE PREAMBLE IN ALL OF THIS, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THEY WERE FLOATING THAT PARAMOUNT STUDIOS AND WARNER BROS STUDIOS WOULD BE SEPARATED AND ACT AUTONOMOUSLY.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE MERGER.

DID YOU GET THAT?

>> YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT CORRECTLY.

THESE SETTLEMENT TERMS ARE VERY MODEST COMPARED TO WHAT MERGER OPPONENTS WANTED, COMPARED TO WHAT SOME OF THE STATES THEMSELVES WANTED.

COMPARED TO WHAT WAS DELIVERED.

IN JULY HE SAID HE WOULD ONLY ACCEPT STRUCTURAL REMEDIES, MEANING, ASSET SALES, TOTAL RESTRUCTURING OF HOW THESE COMPANIES OPERATE, HE'S NOT DONE THAT.

HE'S ACCEPTED SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH MORE MODEST IN SCOPE PROBABLY IN PART BECAUSE PARAMOUNT WAS THREATENING TO LEAVE CALIFORNIA, HE'S NOW BRAGGING --REMEMBER, HE'S UP FOR RE-ELECTION.

HE'S BRAGGING THAT HE'S BRINGING IN A LOT OF MONEY AND KEEPING IT IN CALIFORNIA.

PARAMOUNT IS OUT THERE IN PUBLIC THANKING THEM FOR GOOD NEGOTIATIONS.

AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, THIS DEAL WILL TAKE EFFECT, ULTIMATELY, CHRISTIANE, IT'S ABOUT THE SYNERGIES, ELLISONS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE TO RETURN THE COST SAVINGS THAT THEY PROMISED TO WALL STREET, IT'S A LEVERAGED BUYOUT, NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE LAYOFFS AND THOSE DETAILS ARE STILL TO COME.

>> INDEED.

LET'S NOT FORGET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN JUST UNDER 50% OF THIS DEAL IS FINANCED BY ARAB STATES IN THE GULF, NOT KNOWN FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, FIDELITY TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, INDEPENDENT NEWS AND THE REST OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, THIS SETTLEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT COMES JUST AS THERE'S LEGAL ACTION TAKEN BY CNN AND TWO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BANNED BY TRUMP FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, POLITICO AND ALSO MS NOW, WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT'S HEADED AND ALSO, I'M REALLY QUITE HEARTEN THAT THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED PRESS ORGANIZATION REGARDING POOLS HAVE STOOD IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE BANNED NETWORKS.

>> YES, WE TALKED A LOT IN TRUMP 2.

0 ABOUT CAPITULATION.

WE'RE SEEING THE OPPOSITE NOW, SOLIDARITY INCLUDING FROM CBS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS TV POOL.

A JUDGE, A TRUMP-APPOINTED JUDGE HAS SET A HEARING FOR WEDNESDAY, BELIEF THAT JUDGE WILL RULE BY THE END OF THE WEEK.

SO THERE'S A BELIEF THAT TRUMP WILL LOSE THIS FIGHT.

THERE'S BROADER ISSUE AT PLAY, HE'S GETTING MORE EMBOLDENED AND MORE UNHINGED IN HIS BEHAVIOR TRYING TO TARGET NEWS OUTLETS.

AND THOSE OUTLETS EXPRESSING SOLIDARITY WITH CNN ARE SPEAKING OUT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY MAY BE BANNED TOMORROW.

>> THIS KIND OF TARGETING I THINK HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE, WE KNOW THAT UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION THEY TRIED TO LIMIT OR BAN FOR A PERIOD FOX NEWS FROM THE TREASURY BRIEFINGS BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE OUTRAGE AND UPROAR INCLUDING FROM CNN AND OTHERS THEY HAD TO BACK DOWN, HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING AS TARGETED AND DRACONIAN AS THIS CURRENT BAN?

>> THERE HAS NOT, NOT IN AMERICAN HISTORY, NO PAST PRESIDENT HAS EVER TRIED TO DO THIS.

PUT ON THE HISTORIAN HAT, SOME MIGHT HAVE FANTASIZED ABOUT IT, NONE OF DONE IT.

IT'S BACKFIRED.

TRUMP TRIED TO HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING BUT WE COULDN'T HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MICROPHONES.

HE PROMISED TO RESTORE FREE SPEECH IN THE COUNTRY, HE PROMISED TO BE THE MOST TRANSPARENT PRESIDENT.

TEN YEARS AGO HE PROMISED TO ME ON THE PHONE HE WOULD NEVER REVOKE CREDENTIALS FOR JOURNALISTS.

HE'S CONTRADICTED HIS OWN PROMISES.

MANY AMERICANS INCLUDING TRUMP VOTERS SEE THAT.

TRUMP VOTERS WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING AT THE WHITE HOUSE, EVERYONE BENEFITS WHEN THE PRESS IS THERE.

>> WE KNOW THAT VERY WELL INDEED.

LET'S SEE HOW THIS TRANSPIRES.

BRIAN SETTLER, THANK YOU.

> >> NOW AS A NEW GENERATION COMES OF AGE SO DOES A NEW LEXICON, DESCRIBING PEOPLE OF MIXED WHITE AND ASIAN HERITAGE HAS QUICKLY BECOME A FIXTURE ONLINE.

OPENING UP A WIDER DISCUSSION ABOUT RACE AND IDENTITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

FROM POP STAR OLIVIA RODRIGO TO OLYMPIC FIGURE SKATER ALYSA LUI, THIS ATTENTION CULMINATED IN MEETUPS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, SPARKING QUESTIONS ABOUT INCLUSION.

A CONTRIBUTOR AT NEW YORK MAGAZINE'S POP CULTURE PUBLICATION VULTURE AND HE JOINS MICHEL MARTIN TO EXPLORE WHAT'S FUELING THE CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TERM.

>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

> >> YOU WROTE RECENTLY IN VULTURE ABOUT WHAT YOU CALLED A MASS COMING OF AGE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TERM --A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED -- SO I NEED TO DEFINE TERMS WHO MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THIS.

WHO ARE WASIANS.

>> AN INTERNET -- IT STARTED IN THE LATE DECADE OF 2019, IT WAS REALLY STARTED PROLIFERATING ON TIKTOK, INSTAGRAM WITH YOUNGER KIDS.

IT MEANS WHITE AND ASIANS.

IT MEANS KIDS WHO ARE MIXED.

HALF WHITE AND HALF ASIAN.

>> YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE NUMBERS, ASIAN AMERICANS ARE THE FASTEST GROWING MAJOR RACIAL GROUP IN THE COUNTRY, ABOUT 1 IN 5 IS MULTIRACIAL AND OF THOSE, 82% OF THOSE ARE PART WHITE AND MORE THAN HALF ARE UNDER 25.

COHORT, WITH A BIG INFLUENCE ON YOUTH CULTURE.

>> YES, I THINK THAT'S THE WASIAN MEETUP, THEY WERE HAPPENING ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THERE WAS ONE IN NEW YORK, IN CENTRAL PARK, THAT WAS A MASS CONVENING, THEY WANTED IT TO BE A MASS CONVENING ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE LITERAL WORLD, THAT WAS A REAL CULMINATION OF THE KIDS ARE HERE.

>> APPARENTLY, YOUR SOCIAL FEED WAS BLOWING UP, LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED?

>> I WOULD WAKE UP AND I WOULD SEE MY FEED COMPLETELY BLOWN UP WITH THE WASIAN MEETUP.

BASICALLY, IT WAS POWERFUL.

THE INVITE APP FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY OR, YOU KNOW, BABY SHOWER OR WHATEVER, HAS BEEN KIND OF TRYING TO POSITION ITSELF MORE AS A SOCIAL MEDIA APP.

WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A WASIAN MEETUP?

IN A LOT OF WAYS IT WAS IN THE THINKING OF THE RED HEAD MEETUP.

OR PEOPLE NAMED RYAN.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY HAD MEETUPS IN L. A. , SAN FRANCISCO, BUT THE ONE IN NEW YORK REALLY WAS A MASS CONVERGENCE, THERE WERE OVER 3800 PEOPLE WHO SAID YES TO GOING.

IT'S UNCLEAR OF COURSE EXACTLY HOW MANY ACTUALLY WENT BUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA FLOOD FROM IT AFTERWARDS REALLY DEMONSTRATED THAT IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE AND INFLUENCERS, PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY TECH SAVVY ALREADY, THERE WAS ANOTHER LIFE TO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL MEETUP ONLINE.

>> WHAT'S SO TERRIBLE?

I MEAN -- >> GREAT QUESTION.

IT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF CRITICS WHO SORT OF WERE ASKING, WHY WASIAN?

WHY NOT MAKE IT MIXED ASIAN.

THE LASTING CRITICISM CAME FROM MIXED ASIANS WHO ARE NOT WHITE.

SAID THIS WAS INCLUSIONARY TO THE MIXED RACE EXPERIENCE OF ASIAN AMERICANS IN THE STATES.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT, ASIAN AMERICAN 2 IS ALREADY AN ABSTRACTED CATEGORY.

WHITE ASIAN IS A MISH MASH OF TWO ABSTRACTIONS.

PEOPLE BEGAN TO ASK, WHAT ARE WE CELEBRATING?

THERE'S NO SHARED CULTURAL HERITAGE.

NOT EVERYONE WAS KOREAN.

THAT LED PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT AESTHETICS AND HOW YOU'RE PERCEIVED IN THE WORLD, THAT REALLY BECAME A POINT OF FIXATION.

>> THE ORGANIZERS ATTACKED?

OR REALLY MAD AT THEM?

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> THEY GOT A LOT OF BLOWBACK, LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED THEM THE MOST EXTREME LANGUAGE WAS CALLING THEM SUBS IES OF THE KK.

PEOPLE ARGUED THEY WERE CELEBRATING THEIR PROXIMITY TO WHITENESS, THAT THERE WAS AN AIR OF SUPERIORITY.

>> WHAT DID THEY SAY ABOUT THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THESE ARE KIDS.

THEY'RE YOUNG AND THEY'RE LOCKED IN THEIR IDENTITY AND THEY SORT OF EXPERIENCE IT MORE ON THE LEVEL OF THE PERSONAL THAN THE SOCIOLOGICAL IDEA.

THEY DON'T SEE THEMSELVES IN A POLITICAL LINEAGE.

I THINK THEY THINK, WELL, I HAVE A WHITE PARENT AND AN ASIAN PARENT, ISN'T THAT FUNNY, WOULDN'T BE COOL TO HANG OUT?

THEIR REACTION WASN'T UNDERSTANDING WHY PEOPLE WERE MAD AT ME.

>> YOU USED THE PIECE TO TALK ABOUT BIGGER ISSUES, THERE ARE SOME BIGGER ISSUES, LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED OUT THERE REALLY HAS BEEN AN EXPLOSION OF WASIAN TALENT ON THE AL SCENE.

OLIVIA RODRIGO, HUDSON WILLIAMS IN HEATED RIVALRY.

THE OTHER THING YOU POINT OUT IS THIS IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO, OFTEN KIND OF EXCLUDED FROM PARTICIPATION IN ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA, YOU'RE NOT WHITE SO YOU'RE NOT LEADING MAN, LEADING WOMAN WORTHY, BUT YOU'RE NOT ASIAN ENOUGH TO BE LIKE THE BEST FRIENDS STEREOTYPE, SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S KIND OF TURNED ON ITS HEAD.

SAY MORE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT HOW THAT KIND OF --TELL US THAT STORY.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

NO, I MEAN, AND I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, IT CAN VARY VASTLY.

>> YOU MEAN APPEARANCE?

>> APPEARANCE, YES.

YOU KNOW, MIXED PEOPLE CAN LOOK LIKE ASIAN PASSING OR WHITE PASSING AND THAT EXPERIENCE LARGELY DETERMINES --ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AN ACTOR IN HOLLYWOOD, VERY LITERAL FENOTYPE WILL DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF JOBS YOU'LL BE SENT OUT FOR, THE POLITICS OF REPRESENTATION IN HOLLYWOOD HAVE VARIED FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

>> WHAT MADE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT CRAZY RICH ASIANS, WHICH WAS A BREAKTHROUGH ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS, AND SORT OF THE LEAD, HENRY GOULDING.

>> WASIAN.

>> SUPERGORGEOUS AND WASIAN.

>> CRAZY RICH ASIANS IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE HE'S PLAYING A SCION, LIKE A FULL ASIAN CHILD OF CHINESE BILLIONAIRES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING KIND OF THING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING PARTICULARLY I THINK WITH LEADING MEN MORE RECENTLY IS THAT ASIAN AMERICAN LEADING MEN PARTICULARLY IN ROMANTIC ROLES TEND TO BY FIND TO BE MIXED WHITE AND ASIAN.

I THINK A LOT OF THEM SORT OF HALF SENSED THIS TILT TOWARDS --THIS PREFERENCE THAT HOLLYWOOD HAS TOWARD MIXED WHITE ASIANS.

AND YOU SEE THAT PARTICULARLY I THINK ON THE MALE ROMANTIC SIDE.

THAT'S SORT OF WHERE -- >> WHY IS THAT?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY QUOTE/UNQUOTE PLAY BETTER TO VARIOUS MARKETS, THAT WHITE AUDIENCES WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM AS SEXUAL OR AS MORE MASCULINE BECAUSE I THINK THE GENERAL STEREOTYPE HAS BEEN THAT FULL ASIAN MEN ARE EMASCULATED AND YOU HAVE PART WHITE IN YOU IT SORT OF MAYBE MITIGATES THAT AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WORDS THAT PEOPLE USE, RELATABLE, PLATABLE, THAT REALLY SPEAK TO DEEPER IES AROUND RACE.

>> HOLLYWOOD ITSELF IS CONTRACTING, LOT OF ITY INITIATIVES ARE BEING ROLLED BACK, A STUDY AT USC AMONG THE 37 LEADERS OR CO-LEADS OF COLOR IN THE TOP FILMS OF 201910 WERE MULTIRACIAL OR MULTIETHNIC, MORE THAN WERE ASIAN, LATINO OR MIDDLE EASTERN, AND THAT --THOSE ARE HARD FACTS.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

THERE'S A SIMILAR STUDY WITH STREAMING FILMS, THE SECOND LARGEST GROUP BEHIND WHITE PEOPLE AND FULL ASIANS ONLY ACCOUNTED FOR 2%.

SO THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T EXAGGERATE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT MULTIRACIAL MEANS.

YOU'RE SEEING A KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A PREFERENCE FOR MIXED ASIANS SPECIFICALLY MIXED WHITE ASIANS AS THE STAND-IN FOR ASIAN OR AS A WAY TO CHECK THE BOX OF DIVERSITY WHO ONE WRITER TOLD ME.

>> THIS LINE GOT MY ATTENTION INCREASINGLY REPRESENTATIONAL POLITICS FEELS LIKE DUSTING LAND THAT HAS BEEN DRIED UP FROM SINGLE CROP FARMING BUT MOMENTS WHERE IT HAS SWAY.

>> IS MY OWN MAYBE DISSATISFACTION WITH REPRESENTATION AS A POLITICS FOR US.

I THINK IT S USHGS UCKS TO BE CLEAR THAT HOLLYWOOD HAS A PREFERENCE FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'RE NOT HIRING FULL ASIAN ACTORS WHO ARE TALENTED AND CHARISMATIC AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE PARTS.

I THINK THAT'S AN OBVIOUS BIAS THAT'S HAPPENING.

REPRESENTATIONAL POLITICS IS NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING OUR ENERGIES TOWARD THINKING ABOUT POLITICAL CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY.

THAT DOES HAPPEN PARTICULARLY AROUND ASIAN AMERICANS WHERE THEY, I THINK WE FIXATE A LOT ON, ARE WE BEING REPRESENTED IN THIS WAY?

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIND POLITICAL SOLIDARITY AROUND ECONOMICS OR YOU KNOW, CLASS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE ACTUALLY MORE MEANINGFUL OR ARE YOU HEAD OF THE TV SHOW.

>> WHY IS THAT?

IS IT A MARKER OF AFFLUENCE?

ASIAN AMERICANS AS A GROUP ARE OVERINDEXED ON WEALTH AND EDUCATION, IS THIS A SIGN OF PRIVILEGE?

YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT SURVIVAL.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S A PRIVILEGED CONVERSATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS TOP-LEVEL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE REPRESENTED ON THE FORTUNE 500 CEO LIST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S TO ME MAYBE NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT ASIAN AMERICAN MEANS, TAKE IT BACK TO EVEN THE '60s WHEN ASIAN AMERICAN BECAME AN IDENTITY WAS ABOUT SOLIDARITY WITH BLACK POWER, WITH THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT AGAINST VIETNAM.

THE THIRD WORLD LIBERATION FRONT.

HOW WE THINK ABOUT OURSELVES IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS GREATER BODY AND FIGHT AND ORGANIZE IN THAT WAY.

IT WAS ABOUT USING ASIAN AMERICAN AS A POLITICAL LEVERAGING TOOL.

WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT WASIAN IT FELT DEEPLY DEPOLITICIZED.

ANY POLITICS TO IT?

THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

NEVER ON THEIR MIND.

THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT POLITICS AT ALL.

IN FACT, OFTEN QUITE DEPOLITICIZED ON HOW THEY THINK ABOUT ANYTHING, NOT EVEN THEIR IDENTITY BUT CLASS POLITICS WRIT LARGE.

>> THE BASIC QUESTION, DID THEY SEE THE KIND OF THE WASIANNESS BEING CELEBRATED PROXIMITY TO WHITENESS, DID THEY MEAN TO EXCLUDING PEOPLE WHO HAD OTHER MIXTURES, SO WERE THEY -- WAS THE IDEA --WHAT WAS THE IDEA WITH THESE FOLKS?

THEY'LL COME IF THEY WANT TO?

>> YEAH, EVEN THE INVITATION, I GOT INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT ON THE REPORTING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHEN THE INVITATION NAME CHANGED.

IT SWITCHED TO MIXED ASIAN MEETUP.

AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE ACTUAL INVITE IS SORT OF, IT'S THE WASIAN MOMENT BUT EVERYONE'S INVITED.

EVERYONE, FULL ASIANS, EVERYONE CAN COME, BUT EVERYONE'S STILL COMING AS AN ASTERISK TO AN ASIAN MOMENT.

I THINK THERE WAS A RECOGNITION AT SOME POINT THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THIS.

BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT IT THAT MUCH.

>> WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS GOES FROM HERE.

>> FOR ME, THE CULTURAL DISPHORIAA FEELING YOU'RE FENOTYPE DOESN'T MATCH HOW YOU FEEL INSIDE OR YOUR OWN CULTURAL MORES, THOSE ARE A WAY OF DESCRIBING THE ASIAN AMERICAN EXPERIENCE.

I GREW UP IN FLORIDA.

I HAD KOREAN PARENTS, I WENT TO A WHITE BAPTIST SCHOOL IN THE SOUTH, IT'S A WEIRD WAY TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHO AM, I, AM I TRYING TO ASSIMILATE?

ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE A SHARED PART OF BEING ASIAN AMERICAN, YOU KNOW.

JUST BROADLY.

I THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY IT'S BEEN USEFUL FOR ME TO NOT SOLELY LOCK DOWN INTO ISOLATIONISM, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE WAYS IN WHICH MY IDENTITY INTERSECTS WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN THESE BROADER WAYS AND SORT OF VIEWING IT WITHIN A LARGER SOCIAL STRUCTURE AND TRYING TO MOVE PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, PAST NARCISSISM, I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST BEING YOUNG, TOO, I HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY TOO AT THE SAME TIME OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A TEENAGER AND ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS FIT IN.

I GET THAT.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THAT'S NOT A AVAILABLE OR USEFUL PLACE TO STAY SO THAT'S SORT OF HOW I WANTED TO END THE PIECE FOR US TO NOT SHAME BUT TO MAYBE OPEN, THE OPEN THE BOX A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF, OKAY, THIS HAPPENED.

THE WASIAN MEETUP HAPPENED, BUT HOW CAN WE THINK ABOUT OUR IDENTITIES IN CONCERT WITH OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR IN A POLITICAL SENSE?

I THINK RACISM IS INHERENTLY POLITICAL IN THIS COUNTRY, I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE I WOULD HOPE TO SEE HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL.

BUT.

>> WHAT KIND OF REACTION DID YOU GET TO THE PIECE?

WHEN I LAST CHECKED YOU HAD LIKE HUNDREDS OF COMMENTS?

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE REACTIONS THAT YOU GOT THAT STOOD OUT TO YOU?

>> I FELT THERE WAS A LARGE GAP BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO WERE REACTING TO THE HEADLINE AND THE PHOTOS THAT WERE CIRCULATING ON SOCIAL MEDIA VERSUS THOSE WHO HAD REALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THE PIECE AND SORT OF UNDERSTAND IT AS A SOCIOLOGICAL MOMENT THAT IT'S HAPPENING IN REAL TIME, SOCIOLOGICAL IDENTITY THAT'S FORMING AND THE PIECE IS REALLY ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT AND ASKING OURSELVES HOW IS IT HAPPENING, WHAT ARE PEOPLE THINKING, HOW ARE THEY DRIVING IDENTITY ONLINE AND IN THE WORLD?

SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE TAKEAWAY I HOPE PEOPLE SORT OF HAVE WITH IT.

>> YOU CAPTURED A MOMENT FOR SURE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALEX, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

> >> AND FINALLY ABOUT A CENTURY AGO THE AMERICAN BISON POPULATION FALLEN TO AROUND 500 ANIMALS NATIONWIDE, TODAY THEIR NUMBERS HAVE REBOUNDED THANKS TO DECADES OF WORK FROM INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES, AMONG THOSE WHO HELPED BRING BACK THE POPULATION FROM NEAR EXTINCTION WAS THE LATE CNN FOUNDER TED TURNER.

I VISITED HIS RANCH AND SAW THIS REBIRTH FOR MYSELF BACK IN 2015 IN MONTANA AND NOW THE ANIMAL'S REMARKABLE COMEBACK HAS BEEN CELEBRATED IN A PRODUCTION ACROSS NEW YORK CITY, IT'S CALLED THE RETURN OF BUFFALO, THROUGH BROOKLYN'S ICONIC LANDMARKS.

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