- I'm Madeleine Hooper.

I've been gardening for over 20 years, and of course with gardening comes a lot of aches and pains.

So, I finally decided that maybe I should find a fitness trainer to see if I could fix my problems.

And a fellow gardener introduced me to Jeff Hughes.

After working with Jeff, it dawned on me, what would be more exciting than to travel all over America visiting a wide variety of gardens and helping their gardeners get garden fit?

[upbeat music] - [Madeleine] Taking care of your body while taking care of your garden, that's our mission.

- [Jeff] Ooh, Colorado is just gorgeous.

- It is gorgeous, I mean, look at those mountains.

- Look at the mountains.

- They are the Rocky Mountains, right?

- Yes, they are.

- So, today we're visiting somebody that I've admired for a long time, Jeff.

Her name is Lauren Springer.

- Okay.

- She's a real plants woman, a seasoned horticulturalist.

She plans gardens for people professionally, and today she's invited us to see her personal garden.

Yeah.

So, it'll be fun for you to meet her and be with her.

- Uh-huh.

- I think that there are lots of other aspects about Lauren- - There's the bag.

- ...that I wanted to share with you.

- So I have something that's kind of a surprise.

I just have to get ready for it.

- This looks, I'm getting a little scared.

You're pulling gloves out.

What do you have in your bag, Maddie?

- I have a big cactus.

[laughs] - Whoa.

- I know it is scary.

That's why I have my gloves on.

She has a huge collection of cactuses.

- That's a huge cactus.

- And she has collected some of these, Jeff, don't touch- - That's scary.

- For almost four decades.

- Uh-huh.

- Some of them have lived with her wherever she's been.

But I think this one is particularly beautiful with its red thorns.

- Yeah, it's gorgeous.

- So when we get there, we're gonna see her collection of cactuses, her collection of plants, her collection of rocks.

This lady has big interests.

- All right.

- [Madeleine] I think that might be her house up there.

[upbeat music] - [Jeff] This is just a beautiful, beautiful Colorado sky.

Look how blue it is.

- [Madeleine] And look at those mountains.

They're gorgeous there.

- Hi!

- [Madeleine] There's Lauren.

How nice to see you.

- Good to see you again.

- [Jeff] Hi.

- This is Jeff Hughes.

- Nice to meet you.

- Jeff, Lauren Springer.

Finally get to meet him.

- Yeah.

Well, come on in.

- [Jeff] Great.

- [Madeleine] Okay, thank you.

- This is a beautiful walk in.

- It is.

And I can't help but noticing this plant, it's so beautiful, it's so white.

- Yeah.

- [Madeleine] What is that?

- It's one of my favorites.

It's actually native to the great plains, so, and it's an annual and it sows around and it's a Euphorbia.

- [Madeleine] I've never seen a plant like that before.

- [Lauren] It's one of my favorites, yeah.

- Don't you love that name?

- Got a new big word.

- So yeah, but it's also Snow on the Mountain.

- [Madeleine] It does look like snow.

- [Jeff] Cool name.

- [Madeleine] Isn't that great?

- [Lauren] Yeah.

- [Madeleine] I love the way these have spread out.

I think they just volunteer, don't they?

- Yeah.

I do really like to incorporate a lot of great plains stuff, because here I am on the plains.

So I'm gonna show you a lot of different things that have to do with the great plains.

My whole idea here is to blend in and to fit.

So I'm hoping you get that feel.

Yeah.

- [Madeleine] We're gonna get into it.

Okay, let's walk into the bed.

- Yeah.

[leaves crunching] - You know, I knew some of these plants, but I've never seen grass like that before.

- [Lauren] Oh, that's cool.

Because I love that a plant, it's kind of special to me.

- [Madeleine] Really?

- [Lauren] Yeah.

It's actually native to Oklahoma and parts of North Texas.

And it's called Ruby Muhly.

- Ruby Muhly.

- Ruby Muhly.

- Ruby because you can see there's like little flowers on it that are just starting.

Later in the fall, it'll be just covered with foamy pink, beautiful flowers.

- Oh, that must be gorgeous.

- I found a really, really robust form of it in North Texas and brought it home and started propagating it by division and now it's in the plant select program.

- [Madeleine] Love the orange.

- [Jeff] Yeah.

- [Madeleine] How nice.

- Doing really well, too.

It likes it.

- Called out one of my babies.

Yeah.

- It likes it here obviously too.

- Yeah.

- The other thing is, I love the combination of plants.

The look of the different plants look wonderfully composed, Laura.

- Oh, thanks.

There isn't a lot in bloom this time of year.

But, I often just think when you put together plants, imagine they're in black and white, and you're taking a black and white picture, and it takes the color off the table, and it makes you see the forms and the textures more.

And then the colors just become this special ice cream at the end.

Yeah.

- I love that because there's so much texture, even on the top of the leaves and the side of the leaves.

It's really wonderful.

And I think all your friends are happy here.

- [Lauren] Yeah.

Well, there is still something in bloom and the bees are really active, which is super fun for me.

It's super important for me to have the pollinators, both the native bees and the honey bees.

- So, let's move on.

- Yeah.

Let's go.

[leaves crunch] - Here we go.

- Yeah.

We're gonna go back there.

- Oh, hang, a minute, Lauren.

This is amazing.

Look at all the cactus here.

- Oh.

- It's like a collection.

- Yeah.

I guess you could say I'm a collector on some level.

Some of these plants are 20 years old.

- [Madeleine] Oh my goodness.

- [Lauren] But they're not hardy.

They're out for summer vacation.

[laughs] - [Lauren] Yeah.

My shady gallery here.

They're lined up in the hottest spot on the property, but let's go look at cactus in the ground, the hardy ones.

- Let's do that.

- [Madeleine] Great.

- [Lauren] Yeah.

Come on.

- A whole new Vista.

- [Lauren] Yeah.

It just opens up back here.

- [Jeff] That is some view, Lauren.

- [Lauren] Thanks.

This is kind of favorite part of the garden.

It's where the mountains and the planes meet.

So it's kind of- - Yeah.

- The heart of Colorado it's got- - Oh, cool.

- The two really important ecosystems right here.

I wanted the rocks cuz it's the Rocky Mountains and you look up there and you can see lots of rocks.

- Yeah.

Looks literally like you brought the top of that down here.

- [Jeff] Yeah.

- [Lauren] And I have all these hardy cacti.

These are plants I don't have to bring in and out like the ones up against the house.

And I've had some of these plants for 20 years in other gardens.

I just bring them with me whenever I move to a new place.

Hopefully, I won't have to move them in again.

- Does it generally travel well?

- They actually do because they don't have leaves in the same way, their bodies or flesh is a stem.

And so they don't break easily.

Some of them are spine, so it's a little harder for us, but it's not hard on the cactus.

- [Jeff] Yes.

- They look so nice up against it.

And these rocks have such beautiful texture to them.

- [Lauren] They do.

They really, like I said, I fell in love with them.

We rented a skid steer and a Bobcat for a day and we were on a budget.

So, they're 14 rocks and we had half an hour per rock.

- You put these big rocks in yourself?

- Yeah.

Well with the two machines.

Yeah.

But we had a lot of fun.

Yes.

- Wow.

The key with the rocks is to dig 'em in.

Otherwise, they look like meteors.

- Yeah.

- You know, they just don't look settled.

- It's so nice.

Look at the way those cactuses and the other plants here actually go to the rock.

It seems like they really want to grow on them or drift on them.

- [Lauren] Yeah.

They really, that's kind of their comfort zone in nature.

- That one is just fantastic.

Oh, the hairy, this the hairy one.

Yeah.

This one is actually really cool because the hair isn't as mean.

- Really?

- Yeah.

I mean, it's still a little prickly, but it's not near as harsh as the others.

- Yeah.

I'd like to touch them.

I can't believe it.

I'm very- - [Lauren] Yeah.

Touch lower on the plant where it's like really white.

Yeah.

It's not quite as bad.

- Very spiky.

- That's not very- - That's not very?

- No, but it's called an old man cactus.

So, but if you like cactus, I think though, the main thing is, if you wanna grow them, though, if you look at 'em in the wild, they don't grow with just each other.

And so to make a cactus garden really sing, you've gotta have companion plants.

- Which is lovely.

- So, which is kind of, what I really wanted to do here is to showcase the cactus with the rocks, but also have companion plants, so it's softer, and has more kind of flow to it.

So, well, it's sort of like desert meets prairie meets mountains.

- [Jeff] Yeah.

- [Lauren] And we don't have green as a main color here.

I mean, if you look out in nature here, there's about three months of the year where it's very green and the rest of the time it's brown and silver and tan.

And so, this garden reflects that.

- Yes.

As we walk along, I love the shape.

- [Jeff] Hey Lauren, is this normal that the wind just kicks up all of a sudden like that?

- Yeah.

Well, especially along the foothills and that change in elevation creates a lot of wind.

Oh, Madeline, You know how you like that grass I introduced?

- Yes.

- Here's another plant.

- Oh wow.

- I introduced this plant.

This is Sea Foam Sage.

- [Madeleine] Oh, I love that.

- [Lauren] Nobody thought it would grow in the Rocky Mountain region.

And, I got some from England and it's been very hardy for 20 years.

And, we now it's a mainstay in a lot of gardens in the whole Rocky Mountain region.

- Good for you.

- Yeah.

- [Jeff] So, I love the way your walkway just kind of curves around back and forth.

It's like every three steps is a different angle, a different perspective on it.

- That's really nice of you to say.

I think the key to that is if you have the opportunity, a lot of people don't have the time, but if you have the time to wait like a year before you put your path in and then see where you walk and actually make a natural little goat path.

- You, you wore this down.

- I wore this down.

- Ah.

- That's cool.

- That's really cool.

- Yeah.

Oh, another tip--I use the old pots that I actually plant things with as markers, if they're recently planted in an area that's already been planted, I won't remember where they were.

They need a little extra water and a little extra care the first year.

So, cuz it's so windy here, I actually put rocks in the pots to anchor them.

- I like that.

- That's a good trick.

- Nurturing marker.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

So I mean we're tenders.

I mean, when you're a gardener, you really wanna take care of your children and you wanna make sure they have a chance, and so that helps.

That's one of my babies there, a very mean baby.

- [Jeff] That's pretty scary looking.

- [Madeleine] It is.

- [Jeff] Pretty, It's pretty, though.

- Beautiful Snow Leopard.

- Beautiful.

- Yeah.

It's called Snow Leopard Cholla.

It's like sun bathing on that rock.

- [Madeleine] Yeah.

- So pretty cool plant.

- Yeah.

We can't touch that guy.

- No.

- No, that's really mean.

- No, that would not be good.

- [Jeff] It touches back.

- [Madeleine] It touches back.

Definitely.

- Lauren, this has been just a wonderful opportunity to come see your garden and you've really created something special.

- Oh, thanks.

- I've enjoyed my time here.

So, it's now time for you to enjoy more of your time here.

I wanna find out some of your aches and pains and things that you're experiencing.

So what can you tell me?

What can I fix today?

- My hands.

I've been gardening, not just for myself, but for a living most of my life.

So, I have carpal tunnel, I have osteoarthritis, and I have Reynaud's syndrome.

Thumbs are a big issue.

They're probably the most arthritic of the fingers.

And then I have just a bad finger that the joint is damaged.

- Do you remember how you damaged it?

- No, I don't.

Honestly.

I think it was actually, you know, I hurt myself a lot when I'm working and then I do a lot of rock work, as you can tell.

- Yeah.

I have little things like that, that they happened when I was younger.

When you do things in your immortal ages, you don't care.

And then all of a sudden it hits you later.

You know, it comes back to haunt you later.

So, everything you describe with your wrist and your fingers and your thumb, those are pretty common ailments for gardeners.

You know, cuz you're constantly gripping, because you've chosen a lifestyle of doing this.

Yeah.

You are doing it more than maybe you should be doing it.

Being diagnosed with arthritis is like being diagnosed with gray hair.

You know, you just have it.

You do have it.

Everybody has it.

It's what degree you have it and of also how much you continue to aggravate it.

As far as the knuckle goes, you know, just massaging it.

Massage that joint, it's just soft tissue in there, and see if you can get it to, you know, be comfortable and open up.

If you can get it to just be comfortable after massaging it to open up a little bit more, you've done your job.

And if you do that two or three times a day, just when you think of it, you might start actually seeing a difference.

It'll probably be a year or so, but you'll start seeing a difference.

It'll be comfortable when it's straight.

And as far as your thumb goes, that's a common ailment.

It's just from clenching in this way.

And, it's normal.

We're supposed to do this.

You're just doing it a little too much.

I'm gonna have us stand up in a few minutes and we're gonna talk about how to fix that.

But, the idea of fixing this is just to attack it as far is it being a joint issue.

And we'll get to that.

First of all, I want to ask you, is there anything else going on that's aches and pains that we could be talking about?

We have the wrist.

- It's not so much pain, but lack of strength.

I broke my knee and had knee surgery.

I lost a lot of my quad and my calf tone.

And my calf, especially, has been really slow to come back.

- Did you have any therapy with that?

Did they give you any idea?

- I did a lot of PT.

That's why I can even bend my knee back again.

- Oh, good.

- I mean, I couldn't even do 90 degrees for like three months.

- Does that mean you have trouble like coming up on your ankles?

- I cannot get back on my toes, like a relevé on this foot.

- Relevé.

Were you like a dancer?

- Yeah, I was.

- Okay.

- I was.

- All right.

I wanna attack the first thing first up here.

Carpal tunnel syndrome is one of those things, you know, the name gets thrown around a lot, and if they knew exactly what your problem was, they probably could have fixed it by now.

Right?

And it can be a nerve that's being irritated, you know, up here, coming down through your shoulder, into here, that's swollen by the time it gets there and it doesn't fit in the tunnel.

Or, it could be because your tunnel, your clenching your tunnel.

It could be a little bit of both.

My best guess is you're clenching it and it's just tight.

It's tightening in on it.

So what you wanna do is you wanna think of all the muscles that are doing that, you wanna go to the opposing muscles and try to open that up.

Let's stand up and clear the chairs a little bit and I'll show you a couple things.

- Okay.

- All right.

Well, we'll work on these problems together.

[upbeat music] Your hand looked like it was working pretty good there.

[Lauren laughs] So as far as your wrist goes, what we wanna do is we wanna try to get the muscles on the back of the hand working, so that it'll counter all the work you're doing here.

Hold your arm out in front of you and drop your wrist down.

Now take your thumb like a little fulcrum, and just per put it right up underneath there.

And just, your fingers will actually just naturally touch some nice pressure points here.

Now push with your left hand, push your fingers down and let that wrist bend.

Now, open your fingers out.

Yeah, your thumb like that and let your hand win.

Let it push against your fingers and let it keep going as far as you can go and let it win.

Now, keep that pressure.

Now, let your fingers win.

There's always a fight going on, but we're gonna keep changing who wins, right?

So take it down there.

They're still fighting.

Now open that thumb and those fingers and let your hand win way up there.

Work it, work it, work it, work it.

Yeah, nice spread there.

One more time down.

Now, let your hand win all the way up and then just drop and shake it out.

You feel those muscles back here again?

- Oh yeah.

- You just used them.

- I can definitely.

- So we just did that three times, and just three times a day, you know, mornings, sometime in the afternoon, sometime at night, you know, when you're thinking about it, just do that.

What we're doing is we're training for your sport.

You have a sport, you do this, but you need to put some balance in your joints.

Just like when you said, you know, you tend to your garden, you are the tender to your body too.

So, you're just gonna tend to this a little bit.

Okay?

Now, as far as your leg goes, okay, I want to do some squats.

What I want you to do is open your feet a little bit wider than you you would think would be comfortable normally.

Okay.

And we're gonna drop down into a squat.

So, we're just gonna come down til your arms run into your legs, and you're right here.

Okay?

And we're gonna come right back up.

Okay?

Now, if we were to take the range of the squat and divide it up into three sections, the bottom, the middle and the top, the middle doesn't need to be worked.

That's something that you already do, so there's no sense in spending time there getting tired doing this.

So, what I want you to do is just come on down deep and just work about a two inch.

Think like you're riding the pony.

All right.

You're just down here, bend the knees, drop in here.

Get about 10 of those and then come all the way up and just drop down a few inches and squeeze into the top of the thigh and your glutes.

And just get that squeeze into here.

Squeeze into here.

Get 10 of those and do that about three times a day.

All right?

Now we're gonna add that quad, that calf, and that ankle into the situation.

So, I want you to go back out to where we just were and where your heel is I want you to put your toes.

Now, you notice how you're here because your legs further away now.

Right?

And it's the same length as it was, but you move your leg further away.

So, you have to make your leg longer.

Now I want you to do the same exercise, but keep your heel up.

Don't let your heel drop.

So come down, ride the pony 10 times.

Keep that ankle up.

All right.

It's hard.

Right?

- Really hard.

- Yeah, cuz it's weak.

- And well, that's actually my good leg.

Wait til you see the other one.

- Come up.

Keep that length there so that you're not falling over.

Right?

You wanna stay here and we're just gonna do 10 up top.

Squeeze up here.

You can even take your thumb and your middle finger and grab the creases here.

That's where your hips are.

That's where your hip joint is.

And get 10 of those.

All right.

That's enough.

Now we do the other side.

- That's the bad side.

Yeah.

Okay.

- All right.

So it's not a bad side, it's a weak side.

So take that back there.

Extend your ankle.

Keep that up.

Allow it to be hard to do and just go gentle so your body weight, you don't create inertia and make it harder to stay up.

So, gently come down and work in your hip to move up and down 10 times.

That's nice.

You've got good relevé over here.

All right.

And then come up and keep that length.

Keep that leg long and just work up here.

[upbeat music] Good.

And just 10.

So 10, 10, 10.

Try to do that three times a day.

All right?

You'll build strength up and you'll also build an autonomic nervous system where it goes- - A memory.

- it turns into a habit, right?

Yeah.

And it will start doing it on its own once it gets stronger.

Now here comes the hard part.

You have to promise me, you're gonna do this for four weeks.

So when I come back, you gave it an honest go to see if it works.

- I can do that.

- We got a deal?

- All right, we got a deal.

Don't squeeze too hard.

[laughs] - We got a deal.

All right.

- [Madeleine] Lauren, we had such a great day today.

It's such a treat to be with you and seeing your garden has been fantastic.

We cannot thank you enough.

- Well, thanks.

It was great to have you.

- It was a great day.

- Yep.

- And I promise to be good and do your exercises.

I forgot something.

I have something for you.

- Oh my goodness.

I know you'll want a plant.

I know you.

You love plants.

This is another one of my introductions.

- Oh my goodness.

- Yeah.

It's called Ultraviolet and it's a sage.

It wants sun and heat and it should actually do fine in your climate.

- Oh my goodness.

- Pretty special.

- Well, you're welcome.

- Thank you.

- [Jeff] All right.

- [Lauren] Safe travels, y'all.

- See you soon.

- Thank you.

- See you in four weeks.

- Bye - Great home.

So excited I got a plant.

- You got a little perk out of the deal.

That's great.

- Jeff, I was very intrigued watching you give Lauren her fixes, because I think of squats as getting up and down.

- Yeah.

- And so I was very impressed with how you showed her how to isolate her range of movement into three sections.

- Yeah.

Well gardeners that are out working generally tend to just work the center range like Lauren was doing.

What happens is if you don't work something.

- Doesn't get stronger.

- Exactly.

- And I'm sure that's why, when we are training, that you have me do my pushups, where I'm working the top part of the pushup and I really get low and do the bottom part of the pushup.

Same thing with the pull-ups, Jeff, we're are we doing a lot of reps on the top of that?

So we get stronger.

- Exactly.

- And also with our shoulder exercises where I just go all the way through, up to the top, touchdown.

That's how we end up.

- So you're there, you pass back through, you're at the bottom, you pass through and you're at the top.

There you go.

- That makes sense.

We do the same things when we're doing curls.

We start.

We move right through, pass through the center.

- Exactly.

- Come up.

I like to give myself a little squeeze.

- Yeah.

- And then you go down and push down and pass through the center and lock out.

It's great strengthening through and through.

- Exactly.

[acoustic guitar music] [Jeff] Oh, man's nice to be back in Colorado.

Smell that air.

- It was so great.

- Yeah.

- And I love the color changes, Jeff.

Look at that now.

- It's got a pretty copper color.

- It does.

And with the gray it just looks fantastic.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

- Oh.

- [Lauren] Hi you guys.

- It's Lauren.

How are you?

- Good to see you.

- It's so good to you.

- You look great.

- You do.

- I am.

I wanna shake your hand.

- Oh!

- Oh, wow.

- No, seriously, much better my hands I've been.

The carpal tunnel is like amazingly much, much, much better.

So, and I have been am doing the knee, but not as much.

It's hard for me to get my squats in three times a day.

I forget, and I'm doing stuff, but I do notice a difference.

- So that's just fine.

You know, the fact that you notice that it works and your brain recognizes that it works and they felt a little bit better.

You'll eventually get more and more into it because your body says, "Hey, this felt better.

Let's just, we got a little time, let's do now."

- That's kind of what this is so good about is that you don't have to go somewhere.

You don't have to use any weird stuff- - Exactly.

- To do it.

I've been busy just this morning re-potting some cacti.

- I saw that.

- Yeah.

So, would you be interested in learning how to do that?

- Yes.

- Don't be scared.

- Yeah.

- I'm always interested in learning something on this show.

- Would love to do that.

- It's fall.

You know, they're gonna be going inside soon, these guys in the pots.

- They're heavy.

- Yeah.

- They are.

I actually watered 'em 'cause- - Did you?

- Yeah, because it's easier to get 'em outta their pots when they're moist.

- Right.

- You know, I'm just realizing something.

We're gonna be bending over and doing a lot of work here, so I'm gonna get this out of the way.

- While you do that, I'm gonna prepare the beds for your little cactus.

- All right.

I'm ready.

- Because they need a little protection coming out of the pots cuz they've been in them for a long time.

- So tight.

- Some cases like a decade.

So let's start- - With this little buddy?

- Yeah, and that one's cracked.

- Yeah, I see that.

- That's awesome because that makes it really easy for you, Madeleine.

- Good.

- Yeah.

So lay your buddy down.

- My buddy's down.

- Yeah.

And you can try probably the rawhide.

It's all you're gonna need.

And make sure you don't hit him.

You hit and we'll see what happens.

Keep hitting until that thing crumbles.

Okay.

There we go.

- There we go.

- Look.

There's little babies coming.

- They are.

Look at that.

- Look how desperate this thing is.

Looking good.

- All right.

Make room for you.

- See, I don't think you're as lucky you, I don't think, is your pot cracked?

- Do we have the- - Nothing cracked?

Like.

- Okay.

You know, we are gonna need, this will help you lay your guy down, and then this actually helps protect your hands, like plastic, this- - I'm just gonna pull him right out.

- Exactly.

- But be careful.

- Mine comes right out.

- Ah.

- [Lauren] See what I can do with this one.

This one's gonna give me a fight, I think.

- Yeah.

- Now the first attempt to save a pot might be using the raw hide mallet again.

Sometimes you can just tap it and maybe it'll come out.

Let's see.

That might work.

- [Madeleine] I think the root- - [Lauren] Ah.

It came out.

- [Madeleine] You did it.

- [Lauren] So, next is finding the right size pot for everybody.

So, it's real important with cacti, especially, that you don't over pot them, meaning giving them too big a pot from the smaller pot, because then you have so much potting soil that the cactus can rot really easily.

So you really only wanna bump up maybe an inch around for yours.

This would be good.

And then, Madeleine, you're probably gonna bump up to- - [Madeleine] This guy?

- This guy, I would think.

And now you wanna basically look how deep your pot is and compare it to, yeah, you can probably each put about an inch or a little bit less at the base.

- Okay.

I've got my... - Now we're gonna put a little bit of fertilizer in the bottom there in the soil, and an 1/8 of a teaspoon, cuz these are small pots.

So, that's great.

And then center your guy in the middle.

- [Madeleine] And we don't have to open the roots?

- [Lauren] No, in fact that's a good question.

- [Madeleine] You don't want to?

You really don't want to disturb cactus roots.

They can rot through any kind of a wound.

- [Jeff] Okay.

- So, and now we're gonna need our soil again.

- [ Madeleine] Okay.

- And scoop it in along the sides of your pot, so you get it even with the height of where the cactus, the soil, and roots are.

And, then when you got it almost to the top of the lip of the pot, then you wanna tamp it.

And it's hard to get.

Usually there isn't that much room.

So, I use just like the back of my pruners.

And there's more pruners here for you guys.

I have a ton of pruners, always.

They're ancient.

A lot of them don't even work anymore except for tamp.

- That's the perfect little handle for this.

- And, if you eat a little more soil, but you don't want it flush with the top, 'cause you wanna when you water it, you want it there to be a little water standing so it will soak in and not just run off.

Most important thing that everybody would want to do right now and you don't wanna do is water.

- Water?

- No, you actually, because we took the pots off, there's some damage to the roots and cacti are so sensitive to root rot, that you actually want them to cure in their dry potting soil for a good week before you water them.

- [Jeff] Okay.

- Yes.

Yeah.

- You know, I noticed with all the special handling and everything, it's really important that you don't have a pain in your hand.

So this is... - Yeah.

If I want keep- - It's a lot of fiddling.

- I get why I got the hug now.

- Well, 10 years from now and this one needs another pot, hopefully these all hands will work, thanks to you.

- Yeah, good.

- So yeah.

- This has been an amazing lesson.

We've learned so much from you.

We've been inspired and you've been so generous letting us share your garden with you.

We can't thank you enough, Lauren.

- Well, thanks.

It was so fun.

So fun.

- So fun.

[upbeat music] - [Jeff] Okay.

Thank you.

This has been great.

- [Madeleine] Hopefully we will be back before 10 years.

- [Jeff] Yeah.

- [Lauren] That would be cool.

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